I send an internet hug back to you Onager, and to everyone here. You guys are the best and all I have. The meeting with its puke worthy CBS about how great it was to live under the mosaic law. Do I fake sick? Do I just not go? Do I go and give a snide comment? Weather I stay home, go, anything, my wife will still be angry at me. If I stay home, she will be mad she is dragging 2 kids along by herself. If I go, I will be miserable and she will get fustrated and angry about that. I cant win. I dont mean to bitch.
Posts by BU2B
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28Circuit Assembly Summary
by piztjw ini thought to give a more comprehensive summary, however this pretty well sums up the entire wasted day.. stand and sing.. prayer thanking the gb.. only jw's will survive "the end".. do more.
preach more.
indoctrinate your children more.
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This weeks congregation "bible" study! Mosaic law
by stuckinarut2 inthe "study" material this week is so insane!.
comparisons are made between modern laws and the mosaic law, and how these ancient laws are far superior.... where do i start!???!.
if it was so good, then why did jesus do away with it!?
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Paragraph 18 cought my eye
The Law also protected women, children, and families, providing for them. It commanded parents to give their children constant attention and instruction in spiritual things. (Deuteronomy 6:6, 7) It forbade all forms of incest, under penalty of death. (Leviticus, chapter 18) It likewise forbade adultery, which so often breaks up families and destroys their security and dignity. The Law provided for widows and orphans and in the strongest possible terms forbade the mistreatment of them.
When it says it forbade adultery, was this in the same sense as JWs today understand it? If a JW man bangs his UNMARRIED secretary at work, is that adultery according to the mosaic law? Nope. At worst he would be forced to marry her if they were found out. The only way a married man COULD commit adultery was with a MARRIED woman, not because the sex itself was wrong, or that he "cheated" on his spouse but that he infringed on another mans valuable property. If a married woman had sex with anyone not her husband, it was adultery, not so for men. Women were property under the mosaic law. That is why a father could sell his daughter, and why the husband had to pay him for her. If a married man had sex with slaves that was ok too, which brings me to another point.
Paragraph 20 says
In this connection, however, some might wonder, ‘Why did the Law allow for polygamy?’ (Deuteronomy 21:15-17) We need to consider such laws within the context of the times. Those who judge the Mosaic Law from the perspective of modern times and cultures are bound to misunderstand it. (Proverbs 18:13) Jehovah’s standard, set way back in Eden, made marriage a lasting union between one husband and one wife. (Genesis 2:18, 20-24) By the time Jehovah gave the Law to Israel, however, such practices as polygamy had been entrenched for centuries. Jehovah well knew that his “stiff-necked people” would frequently fail to obey even the most basic commands, such as those forbidding idolatry. (Exodus 32:9) Wisely, then, he did not choose that era as the time to reform all of their marital practices. Keep in mind, though, that Jehovah did not institute polygamy. He did, however, use the Mosaic Law to regulate polygamy among his people and to prevent abuses of the practice.
This is a whitewash. Just because something is a local custom, god bends to it? The mosaic law did more than regulate polygamy, in the case of brother in law marriage, it DEMANDED it. It did not merely tolerate the practice but condoned and demanded it at times.
The law supported slavery. I will post a few laws and let them speak for themselves
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
So these are the Bible family values! A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and screws them!
What does the Bible say about beating slaves? It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing. When the Bible apolagists try to insist that it was a "differnt kind" of slavery back then more like a servant, this scripture should shut them up.
When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)
If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)
Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave.
Just the fact that if a man rapes a woman, his penalty is that he has to marry her should tell you this law was not from any divine source. Can you imagine the abuse of such a marriage?
Also polygamy and slavery were NOT outlawed in the NT. Slaves were encouraged to submit to their masters in everything, early christians owned slaves and this did not disqualify them from positions of oversight.
The qualifications for an older man were that he had to be "husband of one wife" Logic would tell you that this would not be a special qualification for elders if it was banned for everyone. That would be like saying that a JW to qualify as an elder must not be a smoker. That would be redundant since it is already banned for everyone.
Finally, The NT does not speak glowingly of the Mosaic Law. It is described as a "yoke" "burden" and "curse"
For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." (galatians 3:16)
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. Gal 5:1
In the end, they cherry pick the positives from the Law, and omit the parts that are distasteful.
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BU2B
Now they would lose their minds if someone was baptized without a shirt. Scandalous by todays JW standards lol!
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Circuit Assembly Summary
by piztjw ini thought to give a more comprehensive summary, however this pretty well sums up the entire wasted day.. stand and sing.. prayer thanking the gb.. only jw's will survive "the end".. do more.
preach more.
indoctrinate your children more.
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BU2B
I was there yesterday. I drank 3/4 of a bottle of wine I had stashed in the trunk, took naps in the car, walked around the building, and anything else I could not to be inside. It truly is the exact same vomit every assembly, and has been for decades. When they kept talking about how the end is sssoooo cloose, All I kept thinking is how the WT has been saying this for 140 years!! There has never been a time when this was not said! I listened to Charles Sinutkos "serving with everlasting life in view" talk from 1968 better known as "stay alive til 75" so much of the same rhetoric, only now people dont take them quite as seriously.
What was especially hard for me was seeing the idiot audience nodding their head like little zombie bobblehead dolls accepting the vomit hurled at them greatfully. I hate their little corny soliloquies and demos. No young man would tell a attractive schoolmate that he cant date her because of the "bibles moral standards" Even if he didnt accept her invite, he would have come up with some lame exuse. I know because that was me. So many wasted opportunintes. So sad to see people buy into the same lies year after year decade after decade.
I am getting worse at hiding my true feelings. The whole time I sat there I looked up not 1 scripture, sang not one song, not even lip synching like I used to. They make me sick. I cannot put on a happy front anymore. Its not that I dont want to, its that I can no longer force my lips into a smile. I hate being there and it is obvouios.
My wife noticed my attitude, and commented that I seemesd on edge. I told her I feel like I am going to have a anxiety attack. It is so hard to be a loving husband to someone who is such a mind numbed drone. The latest apostate articles have not helped anything. I audibly scoffed througought the apostate WT summary. I am starting to drink heavily, more than I would like but its the only way my chest stops hurting and I feel somewhat relaxed and calm. I am starting to feel 24/7 the way I used to only at the KH. The stress is spreading, and my marriage is breaking down. We were silent on the whole ride home yesterday. The minute we talk and things go an "apostate" direction, she shuts down the conversation. Everything is JW oriented with her. It consumes her. Our communication is shot. I am not in a marriage.
Stay tuned for more updates from me because they are on the way.. I can smell it.
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WHY are so many "spiritual" young men in the congo soo insipid?
by hamsterbait inthe last gathering i went to, i was impressed by how submissive and compliant the young men were.
more like sweet little old ladies (not knocking old women here).
they were socially inept, and non-assertive.
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This religion "castrates" and sucks the life out of its members. Yet they believe they are in a spiritual paradise. They are in a spiritual hell.
By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda, one can make a people see even heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise.
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What makes a "good Jehovah's Witness"??
by stuckinarut2 inso, i have been thinking...what is the formula or recipe for the "perfect jw"?.
here are a few points i thought of...please feel free to add!.
always dress in the jw manner...no variation in clothing / hair styles / facial hair.
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Put "Jehovah" aka the 7 GB members and their current teachings above:
Your spouse
Your Children
Your siblings
Your friends
You or your childs life
Your freedom.
Be ready to shun parents, children, and siblings and anyone else at the drop of a hat, without ever knowing the reason.
Be willing to not allow your children to have birthday parties, holidays, a college education, friends, school sports and clubs, voting for of being class president, not allow normal dating for teens, guilt trip them for masturbation etc...
Be willing to sacrifice your education, career, athletic or academic talents, time and money to the service of an organization that has said the end is imminent for the last 140 years.
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w14 12/15-E Study Edition
by wifibandit inclick "premium download".
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pdf: http://bayfiles.net/file/1kv2k/uaqn2y/w_e20141215.pdf.
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BU2B
Great comment Cadellin! So true how they follow the same template week after week ad nauseum.
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The sick account of Abraham and Isaac!
by stuckinarut2 inthis has to be watched!!!
so thought provoking!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyvcc8ui3cm&list=pl7420408e36541da4&index=2.
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I asked my die hard JW wife: if she heard a voice in her head say it was Jehovah, and tell her to drown our two daughters in the Niagara River to show her obedience, would she do it? She said no and she would get mental health evaluation if she heard a voice claiming to be god in her head tell her to kill her kids. (I was relieved to hear this, because she has said a couple weeks ago she would let our children die because of a FDS decree, even if she knew they were wrong. She would be obedient. I told her, thats when I would come in and save them)
How anyone can view this as a healthy expression of faith and a nice story is beyond me. Of course, the canned JW response would be that Abraham knew Je-hover could resurrect Isacc if Abraham was obedient. *************PUKE~!!!
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The sick account of Abraham and Isaac!
by stuckinarut2 inthis has to be watched!!!
so thought provoking!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyvcc8ui3cm&list=pl7420408e36541da4&index=2.
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Good video. I like the whole channel. If God was good, the test would have been failed by Abraham. If I was god and administered the same test, I would not be looking for obedience, but for Abraham to refuse to kill his son. His maintaining basic ethics in the face of a divine decree would be what I was looking for. No god who would ask someone to do this is worthy of worship.
I find this account as well as the account of Job, as well as mostly all of Genesis very disturbing. The God of the bible is a moral monster. If someone truly was to have "the mind of god" they would be imprisoned as a psycopath.
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w14 12/15-E Study Edition
by wifibandit inclick "premium download".
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pdf: http://bayfiles.net/file/1kv2k/uaqn2y/w_e20141215.pdf.
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And now elduurs will use the same illustration to "help" people especially born ins who want to try life without the JW noose around their neck. They will perch their glasses on the edge of their nose, have the RNWT closed on the table, and slowly ask.. Think of it this way.. you wouldnt want to jump onto a highway in front of a Mack truck would you? Ahh the wisdom from above.
This lesson will not help young people to stay. It will not reach their heart. At least in the 60s and early 70s they had 1975 looming when they told their followers not to go to college and get good jobs. At least a young person could rationalize not doing those things because the end was mere months away. Now they do not have that card to play. They are in for the long haul now. Now all they have is promoting fear of the outside world and implanting subconcions and concious phobias about ever leaving. They hope the fear of shunning, and unreasonably thinking the world offers nothing but unwanted pregnancies, STDS and getting hit by cars. Seriously they have been pushing the idea that leaving the WT will get you hit by a car lately. Anyone notice this? It was even in the latest DVD from the RC! The dads story when he tried to keep the son in the WT included a story about a fatal car crash which had nothing to do with the issues, just a blatant implanting of fear onto the idea of ever leaving. Sick fucks.