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  What christians don't want to admit

  by opusdei1972 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  when i left the wt organization, i continued to believe in the bible, so i wanted to confirm and refine, as much as possible, my faith that the true god is in the bible.

  so i began to discuss with skilled christians, who were also ex-witnesses.

  but i was surprised when some of them tried to relax my fundamentalist position on the literalness of the genesis account.

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  Show me the evidence of Jesus being God/son of God. Show me the evidence God exists. I have not seen any proof, therefore I will not believe.
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  New songs coming

  by kneehighmiah in

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  2. friends

  heard from an inside source that there are 3 new songs coming to the songbook.

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  It couldnt be his sleeve because it is not even the same color as his shirt. His shirt is green, the color of the ....ahem..... large object is the same color as his skin. Also check out the way he is leering at that girl!
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  all you guys,are you A Joseph? Day after day she beg you to lie with her.

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  joseph was a young handsome and good -looking.. he wasn,t married, his boss wife is all over him.. each day, joseph please lie with me.. ok here is the wife of the boss, you dam if.

  do and dam if you don,t.

  we know what happen.

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  True, but keep in mind there were prostitutes about too. Read Genesis 38. Judah slept with a prostitute and him doing so was not painted in a bad light. Not to say it was encouraged of course.. Perhaps dont ask dont tell?
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  Elder's School: 2015 KMS Program

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good morning.

  want to attend?.

  kingdom ministry school.

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  What right do they have to judge anyone? Who gives them the authority? Only the JWs who play their little game.

  If I am ever called on the carpet under charges of apostasy, I dont know whether or not to feed into their little game. They have no power other than the power people allow them to have.
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  all you guys,are you A Joseph? Day after day she beg you to lie with her.

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  joseph was a young handsome and good -looking.. he wasn,t married, his boss wife is all over him.. each day, joseph please lie with me.. ok here is the wife of the boss, you dam if.

  do and dam if you don,t.

  we know what happen.

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  I didnt mean to say that singles could "hook up" with impunity, but that men were not held to the same standard of fidelity as we know it today.
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  Elder's School: 2015 KMS Program

  by pixel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  good morning.

  want to attend?.

  kingdom ministry school.

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  Ray Franz in his seminal work "Crisis of Conscience" remarked that the vast majority of time spent in the GB room was spent on DF issues/ what is, isnt, should be, etc. I guess not much has changed. They are obsessed with cutting people off from loved ones. Sick bastards arent they?
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  Obedience is conditional!

  by BU2B in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was just pondering on this matter.

  jws pride themselves on being loyal and obedient to the gb "even when it makes no sense from a human standpoint".

  what they fail to realize is that obedience is conditional.

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  I was just pondering on this matter. JWs pride themselves on being loyal and obedient to the GB "even when it makes no sense from a human standpoint". What they fail to realize is that obedience is conditional.

  Even a childs obedience to the parent is conditional. Ordinarily a child should obey thir parent. However If the parent tells them to steal from the neighbors, or submit to some sexual perversion they would be morally right to disobey.

  If a military officer commands a soldier to slaughter innocent children, he would be morally obligated to disobey the order. The Nuremberg trials prove that everyone is responsible for their actions and "just following orders" is not a valid excuse.

  When Aaron commanded the people to tear off their gold and worship the golden calf, were they obligated to obey? No for those who followed along were killed as a result.

  When the corrupt preisthood in Israel commanded parents to sacrifice their children to Molech, should they have complied because Jehovahs organization told them to??

  Obedience is conditional and I wish more could understand that.
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  all you guys,are you A Joseph? Day after day she beg you to lie with her.

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  joseph was a young handsome and good -looking.. he wasn,t married, his boss wife is all over him.. each day, joseph please lie with me.. ok here is the wife of the boss, you dam if.

  do and dam if you don,t.

  we know what happen.

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  Its all in the Mosaic law. If a married man had sex with an unmarried woman, the worst that would happen if caught would be that he would have to marry her too. Today if a married man has sex with a unmarried woman it is viewed as adultery. This was not the case in the bible, and is not scriptural. I believe that the sexual laws of the OT were more about property rights than what christians today view as morality. The ONLY way a man could commit adultery was if he had sex with a married woman because he would be infrignging on another mans valuable property. If you had sex with a virgin and got caught, you would have to pay the father because again, you infringed on his property. Adultery only worked one way in the OT, if a married woman went outside the arrangement. A man could have sex with as many wives, concubines, and slaves as he could afford. Marriage was viewed much differently then than now, and even today what marriage is varies from place to place. To add another wrinkle into the conversation, if a man had sex with an engaged free woman, they were both punished with death, however if a man had sex with a engaged slave, he would merely have to make a sacrifice,because she was not free. Again if sexual morals were the issue what difference would it make if you were free of slave?

  The idea of porneia was not introduced until the NT. Even Jesus did not mention a wife being able to divorce her husband, only a husband his wife. Keep in mind I do not agree with this thinking, I am just seeing the bible for what it is, not what people want it to be. Even the NT does NOT prohibit taking more than one wife. Polygamy is now considered adulterous by JWs and most Bible believers, however that is NOT what the bible teaches. Being husband of one wife was listed as a SPECIAL requirement for appointed men. If this was a requirement for all, it would not need repeating that it is a special requirement. It would be like today the qualifications to be a Elder being that you cannot smoke or gamble. Since no one can, it would be redundant to list it again.

  It is distasteful to modern sensibilities, but in the Bible, a man was not held to the same moral standard as a woman the way they are today in the western world. Many try to gloss this over but no one really knows what the word "porneia" really meant. The WT has went from gay sex and bestiality not being porneia, to now where everything is included down to lap dances. They change the definition to say what they want it to say. This is the problem with trying to superimpose bronze age morality on Victorian puritanical morality, or in other cases modern morality.
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  all you guys,are you A Joseph? Day after day she beg you to lie with her.

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  joseph was a young handsome and good -looking.. he wasn,t married, his boss wife is all over him.. each day, joseph please lie with me.. ok here is the wife of the boss, you dam if.

  do and dam if you don,t.

  we know what happen.

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  The WT assumes that Joseph was not shagging the other servants. There was never a law against a single man having sex with slaves. The account specificalls says that Joseph told Potiphars wife "my master has not witheld ANYTHING from me EXCEPT you" that tells me that he was having sex with whoever else, remember there was not then, nor under the future mosaic law anything prohibiting a married or unmarried man from shagging an unmarried woman. I see no reason to believe Joseph abstained from sexual pleasures. There is certainly nothing in the story indicating he did. Male virginity was not prized in that time or location. He simply did not want to get involved with his bosses wife, probably for several reasons.
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  But they are only 8 imperfect men!!!

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i'm fed up of my still-in wife using this excuse that they can utter wrong beliefs and doctrines.. .

  the fact that there are imperfect humans involved in the organisation is very much irrelevant.. .

  we all accept, including jdubs, that these men are just men who may think and say wrong things like the rest of us as they go about their own lives.

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  If someone says, "they are imperfect and make mistakes, but they are who Jehovah is using" you could say "Aaron was who Jehovah was using when he built a golden calf. Would you have bowed down to it and worship it because he told you to?" or "The priesthood in Israel was who Jehovah was using, yet they set up false gods. Would you have been obedient to them because they were the channel? Or are you responsible for your own actions?"