Posts by BU2B

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Blondie's Comments on the 1-18-2015 WT Study (HOLY)

by blondie in

november 15, 2014 wt study issue.

january 18, 2015 to be studied.

opening comments.

BU2B

"Although we are not under the Mosaic Law, its requirements give us insight into what is acceptable or unacceptable in God’s sight."

So what about the command to NOT shave your beard? What insight does this give on what is acceptable in Gods sight?

What about the commands on buying, owning and selling human beings as merchandise AKA slavery? Does this tell us that Slavery is ok? Has there ever been a condemnation of it? Didnt Paul command slaves to be obedient to their masters in all things?

What about not eating seafood or other foods? What does this tell us?

I hate the way WT cherry picks and twists certain passages from the Mosaic Law to fit their commands, while convieniently ignoring the others. They say JWs cant have tattoos because of the principle found in the Mosaic Law, yet ignore the very next verse which commands not to shave or cut your beard. They actually now command the opposite!

Such hypocrites!

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Awesome movie: "THE GIVER". This is a MUST WATCH for witnesses and those breaking free from the WT!!!

by stuckinarut2 in

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friends

you have to watch the movie "the giver"!

it is simply an awesome movie for every thinking witness, or those trying to break free from the org's hold on us.. i wont give away too much, but the concept of the film is mind blowing!

utopia vs reality etc... conformity vs individuality and humanity... etc.

BU2B

I watched the movie with my wife a couple weeks ago, and I read the book in school. I could immediately pick up on the parralells. Ironically two of my indoctrinated wifes favorite movies are "The Island" and "The Village" two movies that have strong parralells to JWism. The similarities go right over a indoctrinated persons head. If they compare it to anything it will likely be "False religion"

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Is Watchtower's stance against education only for North American witnesses

by wannaexit in

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friends

i was reading on a european ex jw forum where some feel that watchtower's railing against higher education is primarily for north america issue.

this is due that many in usa and canada leave home to leave on campus.

it was mentioned that many young european jw attend universities and its not frowned on.. i found this odd because i heard what morris and losch said about education in italy.

BU2B

A lot of things frowned upon in the US is not in Europe. JWs there can sport beards and watch movies that no "good JW" would watch in the US because they are "rated R". I have heard that in general, JWs in Europe are more reasonable and laid back than their North American Counterparts.

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List your favorite, overused scripture by JW's!

by thedepressedsoul in

the title says it all.

list a scripture that is way over used.. it could be a scripture that the point is completely missed by how they use it.

it could also be one that they use so much it's as if the rest of the bible didn't exits.. my two favorite are proverbs 4:18 and ezekiel chapter 1 +a few verses.

BU2B

I agree with the above. I would like to add Ecclesiastes 9:5 which they take literally and cherry pick to prove that the dead are unconscious, when the very next verse, Ecclesiastes 9:6 if taken literally disproves the earthly resurrection as well!

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2014 Statistics and Graphs for USA, UK and Australia

by jwfacts in

i have done a breakdown for the usa, since the majority on this forum are american, along with the uk and australia.

us growth has slowed, but still moving along, but uk and australia have are at a virtual standstill, and in fact decreasing against population growth.. .

jehovah's witness publisher statistics - united states.

BU2B

BluesBrother, Im in Buffalo, NY and we have a Chinese, French, Russian, Spanish, and Sign Language congregations as well as Arabic, Burmese and Swahili groups. It seems most able-bodied zealous JWs have moved over to this field and most growth seems to be there as well. English congregations are dead and shrinking.

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2014 Statistics and Graphs for USA, UK and Australia

by jwfacts in

i have done a breakdown for the usa, since the majority on this forum are american, along with the uk and australia.

us growth has slowed, but still moving along, but uk and australia have are at a virtual standstill, and in fact decreasing against population growth.. .

jehovah's witness publisher statistics - united states.

BU2B

I don't understand how they continue to grow. Even though the growth barely keeps up with the population growth, I want to see the numbers begin a slow decline. I think most of the growth is likely in the foreign language congregations. In English, it seems more go than stay.

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No Mans Land.........The Void..........Whatever........

by Night Owl in

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friends

having a believing spouse, but no longer having any desire to go to the meetings, or service, this is what i've come to call this space i'm in, and i'm sure a few others are in this same space.. nightowl .

BU2B

As one poster said, the situation is PATHETIC. It can make you feel powerless, especially when the spouse is hardcore and there are kids involved. I wish I had some good advice but its different for everyone. I am fully awake and have been for over 2 years with a 5 year old daughter and a 8 month old daughter. My wife is fully commited and actively shuns her sister and "best friend'. I cant just run away, and if I stop all JW stuff I get treated like crap and if I go along with it I am tortured by the meetings and occasional FS and I feel like a hypocrite and feel like I should do more to remove my kids from the situation. However If I do that the happiness and warmth of the home will be gone and the kids will be raised in a cold tension filled home. There is no good soloution. Such a complex situation. Such a tragic situation.

Good luck to you and yes this is the only place we can come where others can really understand and empathize with our situation. Its nice to be here for one another.

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Is shunning effective?

by rebel8 in

does shunning accomplish its objectives:.

make the person repent?.

deter others from committing similar offenses in the future?.

BU2B

Also I don't believe shunning actually stops certain behaviours. It merely forces people to become more two faced and sneaky about it. I guess you could spin it and say "more discreet"

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What if WT will claim, that Jehovah has pulled a "Jonah and Nineveh" on them?

by prologos in

wt seems to be helpless in really dealing with the failed prophecies, pending dates, overlapping groups--.. what if they declare victory, blame jehovah, in that he allowed the nations to come to their senses and not further escalate the use of weaponry, "destroying [life on] the earth"?

in a second fulfillment of .

the "repentant ninevites, disappointed jonah" bible story?

BU2B

I don't believe they actually will NEED the end to be around the corner to exist. Yes many would leave, but many would stay if they were convinced that they were living the way god wanted them too. I don't believe the Mormons have a doomsday, end is nigh mentality yet they are a successful, destructive cult with millions of members.

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What if WT will claim, that Jehovah has pulled a "Jonah and Nineveh" on them?

by prologos in

wt seems to be helpless in really dealing with the failed prophecies, pending dates, overlapping groups--.. what if they declare victory, blame jehovah, in that he allowed the nations to come to their senses and not further escalate the use of weaponry, "destroying [life on] the earth"?

in a second fulfillment of .

the "repentant ninevites, disappointed jonah" bible story?

BU2B

They wouldn't do this anytime soon, but the organizations main intrest is self preservation. How many would have thought in 1926 after 60% left the group due to a false prophecy that it would grow to the extent it has? What is more, who from back then would even recognize it? The borg will morph and evolve and do anything it takes to survive. In 60 years they might pull this card out, who knows? They will never run out of excuses and twisted reasonings. The only question is, how long will people keep buying it?

The cynic in me says theirs a sucker born every minute, so there will always be someone swallowing the crap even if it is scaled down to a large degree.