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  Behold the face of indoctrination! My moms guilt tripping letter to me.

  by BU2B in

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  i wish i knew what it was like to have an unconditionally loving mother.

  i know she loves me and cares about me, but only within her narrow wt spectrum.

  if i do not meet her narrow expectations, i am a failure to her.

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  Yes! it is crazy how similiar this letter is to others I have read that others have posted! Its almost like JW parents are following an exact template for letter writing. They truly do have unity of mind, just like they brag about. Its scary how natural care and concern go out the window. I wonder what unconditional love from a parent feels like. I would even settle for conditional love, so long as those conditions do not include something as petty and controlling as YOUR CHILD THINKING EXACTLY THE SAME WAY AS YOU! If I dont follow the things I was PERSUADED to believe, I am a lost cause!
  

  Steve Hassan says that cult members have an authentic personality and a cult persona. I know my wife has both, but Im not sure my mom does. She is so immersed in the cult and "spiritually strong" that I think the natural and cult persona are actually the same! I love her and have some fond memories of childhood, but most trips involved conventions and assemblies and long 8 hour drives to bethel. My years before going to school were spent in FS all day, and my school years consisted of being picked on in school, going to 3 meetings a week, FS on Saturdays followed by KH cleaning. No friends, hardly and gifts, travel. Just boring steamy hot bookstudy basements studying the revelation book. My parents always fed me, gave me a clean and warm home and never abused me and for that I am glad, however I just do not feel close to them anymore. I do feel robbed of a childhood. I do not think at all like them being an athiest leaning agnostic and I feel all of our interactions are for the purpose of getting me to be "more spiritual family head"
  
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  Female Perspective about WTS, marital relationship & control

  by Muddy Waters in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  despite my user name, am female.

  i was not born-in, began studying when i was around 20, am 50 damn years old now and have spent almost the last 30 years in that stupid religion.

  but here are some observations, make of them what you will.

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  Wow muddy waters, what a great post. I agree with everything you said, and enjoyed the perspective from the other side. I am living it right now as that husband, walking a tightrope.

  Even little, small things are irritating like seeing a great movie that I know my wife would love, yet not being able to watch it with her because she wont watch a "r rated" movie.

  I fear stopping going to meetings all together because I cant handle all the stress and turmoil at home, so for now I am just floating along, doing as little JW related as humanly possible and trying to build my marriage up. Trouble is, I have to fight feelings of resentment that creep up because I feel I am not in control of my life or my kids life. I feel she is, and I resent that. Sometimes I feel the flight or fight instinct and have a overwhelming urge to run away and see the world, join the coast guard, peace corp or anything to take me away from anything JW related, my wife, my parents. The only thing holding me back is my kids. I cannot leave them in the hands of religious fanatics. At least with me there they will have a moderating, common sense imput in their lives that will teach them to think independently and critically, skills they likely would never gain without me in the picture.
  
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  Behold the face of indoctrination! My moms guilt tripping letter to me.

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i wish i knew what it was like to have an unconditionally loving mother.

  i know she loves me and cares about me, but only within her narrow wt spectrum.

  if i do not meet her narrow expectations, i am a failure to her.

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  Dear Son,

  I've been reflecting on the spiritual inheritance I have recieved from grandma. I appreciate her love and effort to help her 7 children to learn about Jehovah and how to serve him.

  Your father and I have been able to pass that inheritance on to you. We are very thankful that you have accepted it (3 Jn 4) I pray that "you continue in the things you have learned and were PERSUADED to believe" (1 Ti 3:15) That you deepen your love for Jehovah through your daily bible reading and personal study. So that you love Jehovah with your whole heart and with your whole mind and with your whole soul and with your whole strength" (luke 10:27) That you continue to "endure fully with patience and joy" (col 1:11) Know that hapiness can come from freely giving. That you encourage others and be encouraged by them. Always humbly look to Jehovah for guidance and wisdom in all you do.
  

  So now its your turn, along with Lisa to pass that inheritance on to your girls. I look forward to when we can enjoy our inheritance fully after this old world is gone. See you at the buffet Saturday (she means the A$$embly) Want to take in all that Jehovah has prepared for us.

  Love you all very, very, very much- MA
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  Behold the face of indoctrination! My moms guilt tripping letter to me.

  by BU2B in

  1. jw
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  i wish i knew what it was like to have an unconditionally loving mother.

  i know she loves me and cares about me, but only within her narrow wt spectrum.

  if i do not meet her narrow expectations, i am a failure to her.

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  Somehow the letter got butchered. I am about to repost the whole thing.. Please hold
  
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  Behold the face of indoctrination! My moms guilt tripping letter to me.

  by BU2B in

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  i wish i knew what it was like to have an unconditionally loving mother.

  i know she loves me and cares about me, but only within her narrow wt spectrum.

  if i do not meet her narrow expectations, i am a failure to her.

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  I wish I knew what it was like to have an unconditionally loving mother. I know she loves me and cares about me, but only within her narrow WT spectrum. If I do not meet her narrow expectations, I am a failure to her. Sad. Here is a letter she hand wrote me a few days ago. *sigh*

  Dear Son,

  I've been reflecting on the spiritual inheritance I have recieved from grandma. I appreciate her love and effort to help her 7 children to learn about Jehovah and how to serve him.

  So now its your turn, along with Lisa to pass that inheritance on to your girls. I look forward to when we can enjoy our inheritance fully after this old world is gone. See you at the buffet Saturday (she means the A$$embly) Want to take in all that Jehovah has prepared for us.

  Love you all very, very, very much- MA

  WOW. She has seen me be stressed out somewhat lately (due do knowing TTATT and being "stuck in") and she thinks a letter like that will help. I just feel bad because, in her heart and mind that was encouraging and heartfelt, when all I see is a download of cult guilt and propaganda. She is a model JW. Pioneer, gets up at 5:00 am daily to do her "personal study" eat sleeps and breathes JWbroadcasting etc. She was born in going all the way back to the 50s! I have accepted that I will lose my parents one day, and as a result feel I have grown somewhat distant. Every conversation is laced with dub propaganda, and I prefer not to regularly subject myself to that and its subsequent FOG techniques. This letter upset me at first, but now it just saddens me that this is what my relationship with my parents has become. Most moms love their sons no matter what. Even ax murderers on death row who have lost everyone still can count on their mothers unconditional love. Must be nice.
  
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  Pick your belief system

  by Giordano in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i think we've all noticed a ton of newbe's these past months.

  one part of escaping or thinking about escaping the jw's is coming to terms with what you believe now and/or what direction you are leaning towards.. here is a site that has a quick quiz that may be of some worth or just for fun.

  i took it when i first signed on here and the results surprised me because it was pretty accurate.. you don't have to sign up for anything and when you finish you will get a percentage answer on 20 major belief systems.

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  Non Theist/Secular Humanist 100%

  Jehovahs Witness 0% yet Im stuck in a JW family... HELP!
  
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  Russian Court Denounces Jehovah's Witnesses as 'Extremist'-- The Moscow Times Mar. 04 2015

  by defender of truth in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  "a court in southern russia has denounced a local organization of jehovah's witnesses as "extremist" and ordered it disbanded, the interfax news agency reported wednesday, in the latest in a long line of such rulings issued to the religious group in russia.. the group's building and surrounding land will be confiscated by the local government in the town of abinsk, krasnodar region, the court ruled.the group had been distributing publications titled "humanity in search of god" and "what does the bible really teach?

  " that were included in the federal list of extremist materials and are banned for distribution in the country, the news report said.

  http://www.themoscowtimes.com/mobile/news/article/russian-court-denounces-jehovah-s-witnesses-as-extremist/517026.html.

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  Russia is correct to rule them extremist. However this is counter productive as it just feeds into the persecution complex of the cult members. Soviet Russia sent JWs to Siberia and they came out even stronger. Persecution actually strengthens the cult.
  
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  new bethel application question are you a racist?

  by poopie in

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  will the gb finally admit there is systemic racism at the highest levels of the organization.

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  What? Is this real?
  
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  2034 is going to be a huge letdown for the dubs

  by wha happened? in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i've seen a few postings of a possible "next date" for dubs of 2034. based on an article they published comparing the last days to the days of noah.

  preaching for 120 years.

  however, i noticed a little tidbit from wiki about age:.

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  Data Dog, they might see your post and copy and paste it! They are just that lazy.

  I dont think they want to highlight 2034 just yet because that would give JWs an excuse to slack off for a few years in the meantime, even enjoy the debauchery of the world for a few years and then return. They must maintain a constant fear that the end can come anytime. As the year approaches they may hype it up to eke a little more out of whatever masochists are left in the fold.
  
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  Devouring the Forbidden Fruit - Higher Education

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well, i told my wife over the weekend i was going to go back school to finish my degree.

  she is 100% supportive of it!

  apparently she doesn't think higher education is so evil either.. since my former major was computer programming and that was in the late 1990's, i was told i'd have to retake a bunch of classes since times have changed.

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  This is great news! The GB power grabbing is backfiring!