someone who thinks Im an elder:"Hey. Thank you for responding. There are prophecies in Zechariah about the restoration of a physical Israel. I am by no means think those scriptures are about the Israel in Israel today. It would seem that the prophecies is Zechariah are about future inhabitants that accept the Christ and reside in Israel.
I have been trying to reconcile such prophecies with the rest of the prophecies in the Bible about the future."
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Prophesies how would you respond
by enigma1863 insomeone who thinks im an elder:"hey.
thank you for responding.
there are prophecies in zechariah about the restoration of a physical israel.
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The Watchtower logically prefers everyone that knows TTATT to disfellowship themselves
by enigma1863 inevery active jw that stays in hiding their knowledge about ttatt is a hole in the watchtower wall.
i propose those who can stay in, should, especially if they have high positions.
how else can we know what they are up to?
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I want to make a resource for Those PIMO, so they can share info that doesn’t out them. So far I made a Facebook page called. JW breadcrumbs. I’ve thought about making a YouTube channel that takes and edits appostate stuff to make videos more pallettable to those still mentally in. There have been videos I really wanted to share but then someone swears or is making a raunchy joke. I know that just shuts them down mentally. It takes a lot of patience to deprogram someone.
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What a Bad Day for Democrats
by Simon inso first the mueller report .... ... then avenatti, the hero that never was.. ... cnn panelists being arrested.. ... now obamacare has been rule unconstitutional so it's official - he achieved nothing at all.. what is gonna happen next?.
i bet beto will stand on a glass table and fall through it.. or aoc will choke to death trying to eat a tide pod..
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Awake February 2013: Where do they find these people?
by bats in the belfry inprofessor massimo tistarelli:.
"my sister gave me a copy of the book life - how did it get here?
by evolution or by creation?
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Update: I recently emailed him again:
01/11/2019
Hello Mr Tistarelli,
I stumbled on your video on JW.org. I believe i 'talked' to you before. I have a few questions.
You compared proof and theory. In my understanding science never uses the term proof. That there is evidence for and against conjectures and hypotheses and only when a hypothesis has gone through the scrutiny of experimentation and peer review does it get to be called a theory. Would you agree with that? I understood only mathematics had proofs since it is based on logic. What do you consider an example of something that has proof? Would you consider Christianity to be a theory?
Also evolution isn't a theory. Natural selection is a theory I assume you are referring to. That would be like calling pregnancy a theory. For thousands of years we didn't know how where babies come from. We knew birth happened but didn't understand the mechanisms. If someone told you they didn't believe in the theory of reproduction and said god individually created each human being you'd probably think he was ignorant of the science.
You also said you could distinguish something that was designed. How do you determine if something is designed? If you believe everything is designed how can we compare it to something that is not? Are there exceptions to the rule? Was god designed?
Are you familiar with christian biologist Ken Miller or former atheist Francis Collins? Both accept evolution by natural selection and both are christian. I never see JW.org interview those Christians.
I appreciate any insight you have regarding my questions.Thank You
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Dear Mr _____,
thank you for your message dated January 11th. I'm sorry for this late reply, but I had a very busy time in the last few weeks.
From your message I understand you are very interested in the issues related to the beginning of life and you also regularly access our on-line resources.
Your questions are very interesting and I'm sure you can find a satisfactory answer on the web site jw.org, under the heading "Bible teachings" and subitem "Science and the Bible" (https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/science/) you can select "Evolution versus Creation".
Alternatively, you can directly address your questions on this matter to a Jehovah's Witness in your area, possibly going to the nearest Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses.
With my best regards,
Massimo Tistarelli
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02/06/2019
I have contacted them before and they don’t answer my questions but I’m not interested what they believe. I’m interested in what you personally know. They are not a professor at an established university. In fact it appears they discourage any formal education past high school. I expect you are familiar with logical fallacies and studied books on evolution. I’ve read the JWs short publications on the subject and I’m frankly disappointed in the strawman arguments. Can you provide a better source for information. Being a professor you would know using only one source when writing a paper for a class is discouraged. Especially if they are not an expert in the field. If you wanted to fix your car would you go to a lawyer? Lawyers have studied far more than any mechanic but that doesn’t mean they are qualified to fix your car. So why would I go to Jw.org to understand evolution or frankly to find out what you believe. You are an individual not a collective.
I’d appreciate any personal input
Thank you
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Feb 9, 2019 Massimo Tistarelli
Dear Mr _______,
thank you for your feedback. My viewpoint is the same you find expressed in our publications, and email is not a good channel for conversation. However, if you want more information regarding the motivations for our stand regarding the origin of life, you may perform a deeper research on our web site, or consider the extensive bibliography reported at the end of our articles on this subject.
If you are sincerely interested in understanding the Bible truths, I still encourage you to contact the Jehovah's Witnesses in your area.
With best regards,
Massimo Tistarelli
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I asked about evolution not the origin of life. Do you understand the difference? I though you were a professor yet you keep directing me to JW.org like it’s your job. I have asked Jehovah’s witnesses in my area and it seems the ones I’ve talked to barely have anything more than a high school education. None of them are professors and none of them seem to understand even the basics of natural selection. They keep referring to the Bible which doesn’t even contain the words “evolution” or “natural selection”.
Are you familiar with John Stuart Mill? He’s quoted saying:
“He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them. But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion... Nor is it enough that he should hear the opinions of adversaries from his own teachers, presented as they state them, and accompanied by what they offer as refutations. He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them...he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.”
Do you know both sides?
Thank you
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The Watchtower logically prefers everyone that knows TTATT to disfellowship themselves
by enigma1863 inevery active jw that stays in hiding their knowledge about ttatt is a hole in the watchtower wall.
i propose those who can stay in, should, especially if they have high positions.
how else can we know what they are up to?
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I wish an investigative reporter would learn TTATT first study with them and then right after the point of baptism reveal it was all an undercover investigation. Like that Guru documentary Kumare
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Build the Ark
by enigma1863 inken ham is trying to build an ark amusement park in kentucky.
i actually want him to build a real ark, or at least have a self contained floating zoo because this one act can show how ridiculous this story in the bible truly is.. lets make this simple.
1000 pairs of animals on one boat including provisions.
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Sadly the park was built and apparently rakes in millions every year.
I thought about researching slave trade ships to compare how they would fit all the animals the ark myth. I dont think i have the stomach for it but im wondering if it could change peoples minds.
I am impressed how long submarines can stay self contained. A nuclear submarine with a crew of 130 people have enough water and air to stay underwater indefinitely. The only problem is they can only store enough food for 90 days. If our modern day ships cannot feed enough people for more than three months how could a primitive ark feed thousands of animals for a full year? -
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In a flash of blinding light...
by terraly inone of the traits that is most endearing about a lot of witnesses is that they will not listen to logical arguments raised by family, friends, or *gasp* apostates, but they will listen to the most contrived and specious arguments that the writing dept.
can spew forth.. then in the style of swift, i submit a modest proposal for getting past these defenses:.
distribute an apostate watchtower issue.. we all know exactly how watchtowers look- the size, paper, style of artwork, and phrases used in the writing.
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My thought was more or less entertainment for ex JWs.
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144000 Literal or Figurative?
by why144000 inthe speaker at the memorial tonight stated straight up that the 144,000 is a literal number as we will stop celebrating the memorial when jesus 'arrives' and takes the few remnant with him.
how can the society change the 144,000 to figurative without blowing themselves out of the water?.
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Website redirect
by enigma1863 ini can no longer read any posts on this website with my iphone.
every time i go to a page i get something like a popup that says congratulations you've won a prize at amazon.
theres no way to close it out.
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Ok I cleared the history and it went away.