Posts by RipVanWinkle

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Question for Tina

by Maximus in

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skimming earlier, i noticed the name satir.. i had occasion to work with a very special older woman who was an absolute delight.

she had trained with virginia satir, who is now long dead, and vs had invited her to be part of her peace group.

(starts with an a?

You got that right! it was Arthur A. Worsley. He visited us in the early 40's. If my memory serves me correctly he was waiting for an assignment in a missionary field and until his papers were completed he was sent out on the road. Not sure which class of Gilead he attended. Some time back I remembered seeing his life story in WT. I think he had traded a chicken for literature.

I hope I haven't made an exaggeration here, but that's what I remember. The Servant to the Brethren was the forerunner of the Circuit Servant.

Do you know him?

RVW

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Question for Tina

by Maximus in

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skimming earlier, i noticed the name satir.. i had occasion to work with a very special older woman who was an absolute delight.

she had trained with virginia satir, who is now long dead, and vs had invited her to be part of her peace group.

(starts with an a?

RipVanWinkle

Larc,

You got me beat. We only had between 9 and 13 pubs. Used to put up the big chart in front with the congregation service numbers.

You're right it was tough times. I got chased off 2 times at the end of a rifle, and had the german shepherd dogs sigged on my Mom.

Of course I remember that after handing people the testimony card and afterward asking them if they would like the offer, some were amazed that we could speak. They thought we were deaf mutes.

We had a brother who was very aggressive who used to put his foot in the door and refuse to leave until he gave his message. It left a bad taste in the mouth for the next witness.

It's been a mixed bag. In some ways we've improved and in other ways we've lost ground - just my opinion.

RVW

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Question for Tina

by Maximus in

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skimming earlier, i noticed the name satir.. i had occasion to work with a very special older woman who was an absolute delight.

she had trained with virginia satir, who is now long dead, and vs had invited her to be part of her peace group.

(starts with an a?

RipVanWinkle

Maximus,

No store front. We had a meeting hall up 30+ steps with a pot bellied stove. Toasted on one side - frozen on the other in winter. Roasted during the summer and collected water by the buckets when it rained since the roof leaked. The leaks were all by the front platform and it was not unusual for our speaker to get a little shower every now and then. We had no restroom - had to use the town's facilites which were about 3,000- feet away. Just hoping that there was no "hurry call".

Yes I remember the slogans for the WT. and Consolation. Still have my testimony cards and phonograph with records.

Also have my pictures of Br. Knorr followed by his sweetheart who later became his wife. Those pictures were from the St. Louis assy.(1941) In case you wonder if I'm really an antique, I must confess I didn't take the pictures, just have possession of them.

You're right Worsley was a good man. Nothing flowery, but loved Jehovah. Later we had J.W. Filson, D, Stull, L.L. Rockwell.(not in that order.)

It's unfortunate that some who were so obedient lost so many joys in life like marriage/children. I have family members who never married because that was for the new world. They grew old without the support they needed. As family we have tried to help each other.

If we can't enjoy the present what makes us think we can be happy with more?

RVW

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Question for Tina

by Maximus in

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friends

skimming earlier, i noticed the name satir.. i had occasion to work with a very special older woman who was an absolute delight.

she had trained with virginia satir, who is now long dead, and vs had invited her to be part of her peace group.

(starts with an a?

RipVanWinkle

Larc,

Those were "the good ol' days" for a lot of different reasons. There were so few of us. about 200,000 worldwide, and we needed each other. (persecution in the form of imprisonment due to the war, expelling from school because of the flag salute issue etc. etc.) We helped one another and overlooked imperfections. Of course this was before the early 50's with Dfing.

Today we've got BIG numbers and we have become a "throw away" society where people get thrown out and and the elders say "there's more where these came from".

So sad.

RVW

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Question for Tina

by Maximus in

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friends

skimming earlier, i noticed the name satir.. i had occasion to work with a very special older woman who was an absolute delight.

she had trained with virginia satir, who is now long dead, and vs had invited her to be part of her peace group.

(starts with an a?

RipVanWinkle

Maximus,

I remember the Advertising Servant. Seems like it was kind of a forerunner to Magazine / territory. Still have my magazine bag.

I go back to the "servant to the brethern". A.A. Worsley was our first back in the early '40's. Those were the guys who had to "rough it". They were there for the love of God and the WORK.

RVW

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What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites?????????

by JT in

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had enough asked :.

if you haven't already related to us the experiences at bethel that you told to your mom-in-law, (or even if you already have told us) could you tell us about what you told her.....and...what is "g-jobbing" (sorry for my naivity) .

i didn't want to take away from sl post about his mother but i thought a little insight into the world of the bethelites would be interesting this am.

RipVanWinkle

Thanks Maximus,

I had asked JT before, but I think he said that he had misplaced some of the data during a move.

I know a few who used to be in the service dept. We used to think that they could do no wrong. I guess we out here share the problem by trusting without questioning. Bestowing gifts etc even at the price of sacrifice.

Makes me think of Proverbs 29:21" If one is pampering one's servant from youth on, in his later life he will even become a thankless one."

THIS is the "later life" and we feel the results of those who should be "servants" and have become "thankless".

RVWinkle

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What is G-JOBBING for Bethelites?????????

by JT in

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had enough asked :.

if you haven't already related to us the experiences at bethel that you told to your mom-in-law, (or even if you already have told us) could you tell us about what you told her.....and...what is "g-jobbing" (sorry for my naivity) .

i didn't want to take away from sl post about his mother but i thought a little insight into the world of the bethelites would be interesting this am.

RipVanWinkle

This question is for Maximus:

You made the comment about Harley Miller with his initial "S" on society correspondence. Is he also the one who went by the initials:
"SDY:SSB" ?

I ask that because after a particular correspondence with the anonymous society I received a reply from this person with a tongue lashing with accusations for which there was no basis. Just curious.

RVWinkle.

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BigRocksFirst

by DevilsAdvocate_DA in

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one day, an expert in time management was speaking to a group of business students and, to drive home a point, used a illustration those students will never forget.. as he stood in front of the group of high-powered overachievers he said,"okay,.

time for a quiz.

" and he pulled out a one-gallon, wide-mouth mason jar and set it on the table in fornt of him.. he also produced about a dozen fist-sized rocks and carefully placed them, one at a time, into the jar.

RipVanWinkle

OutnFree,

I feel your pain. I think I can understand what DA is saying too - that we need to minimize the effect that humans have over our lives. I also feel some simile in your position to the book of Ezek. 34 beginning with verse 2. Keeping in mind that this was a denunciation to the Shepherds of Israel who collectively kept their position for a long time.

Jehovah said, "Woe to the shepherds of Isral, who have become feeders of themselves! (feeding their egos, power seeking, gaining prestige and financial benefit) Is it not the flock that the shepherds ought to feed? The fat is what you eat, and with the wool you clothe your own selves. The plump animal is what you slaughter. The flock itself you do not feed. The sickened ones you have not strengthened and the ailing one you have not healed, and the broken one you have not bandaged, and the dispersed one you have not brought back. and the lost one you have not sought to find, but with HARSHNESS you have had them in subjecting even with TYRANNY. And they were gradually scattered because of there being NO shepherd, so that they became food for every wild beast of the field, and they continued to be scattered. My sheep kept straying on all the mountains and on every high hill, and on all the surface of the earth my sheep were scattered with no one making a search and with no one seeking to
find."

How accurately does this portray what is happing in the Org. today. the number of shepherds who are qualified to handle the job properly are so few yet those who are incompetent are made to feel qualified and they hurt and devastate so many people. Jehovah calls these shepherds "no shepherds". Yet the sheep belong to Jehovah and he sees our pain even as he saw in Israel. I believe that he will eventually act as he says in vs. 16: "The lost one I shall search for, and the dispersed one I shall bring back and the broken one I shall bandage and the ailing one I shall strengthen, but the fat one and the strong one I shal annihilate. I shall feed that one with judgment".

Until that time comes, I am content to continue to study and let the Bible help me to find peace in the thoughts of Jehovah. I try to minimize others influence in my life. Glean what good I can find - wherever I can find it -then allow my trained conscience help me make decisions as I stand before my "Maker".

RVW

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Hi! I'm new.

by RipVanWinkle in

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i chose the screen name of ripvanwinkle because this fictious characher went to sleep and awoke in a different world.

different setting and must have suffered emotional shock.

coping skills needed to be learned.. i sometimes feel a little like him.

RipVanWinkle

Jst2laws

I think we have some feelings in common. However I am not waiting for a miracle. I am prepared to tuff it out convinced that Jehovah knows who I am, knows what I've lived through and have survived with my faith in Him and his Son very much in tact. After all it's not between me and other people - never should have been. So I'm back to square one. Reading the Bible and seeing a lot of things through different eyes. Yet doing what I can to help others in need. Funny that it makes a person more sensitive to other hurting people.

You said: I'm just concerned about a lot of good people like you who do not feel "valued".

At some point in time I came to the conclusion that whether people or an org. value me means nothing. Oh sure, it feels good to be among people who you think are your friends, but when you find that they will en masse turn on you and turn you down makes me say "who needs it"? I have a couple in my family who have been thrown to the "scavengers" to be devoured and told "don't bother coming around, you're out for the count". Then the whole family are "scum" because people don't know how to treat you. Nobody calls for fear than the person may pick up the phone. They cross the street to get out of your way because their afraid that they might "catch something".

At some point in time, I learned that life is less stressful when I cut out the "middle man". I learn to enjoy the moment since I don't have the next one promised to me and if my life has had some merit to it, I know that the One who counts will right the wrongs -in my lifetime or whenever He chooses to do it.

Keep the priorities in order.

RVW

"Your brother needs your help, but you meanwhile mumble your little prayers to God, pretending not to see your brother's need." Desiderius Erasmus

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? for ANY Lurker/JW

by JT in

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while you may not agree with our view of the society, will you at least address this one issue>.

as we all know words have meaning and when used in the right way can be very powerful- yet if used in the wrong way they lose all of thier meaning.. here is my question -- for over 130yrs the guys in the writing and service dept starting with russell right down to today with gene smalley, sam buck, john wischuk and all the rest of the boys up at patterson have used the following words over and over and over.

1. very shortly.

RipVanWinkle

JT,

Read both of Ray's books. Also value the "Aid" book that he was assigned to head up research for. I think that was part of his problem. As he researched he wanted to move ahead and the others who were not involved it it saw a red flag and said "whoa" . I felt his books were full of compassion as well as hurt yet he seems to have peace. It is a given that he would never be accepted back.

I am confident that Jehovah is not looking for perfection or we'd be all dead. He is merciful and saw/sees all. We are only clay pots but He is the Potter and in the final analysis will "will" the righteous decisions.

Also loved Ed Dunlaps "Commentary on James" Blew the cover off the "Aura" that surrounds the office of overseers. It is not intended to be a self-service position but one that requires self-sacrifice. If the shoe fits then wear it - he said. So they threw the shoes away. No wonder it is out of print.

RVW