Robert_V_Frazier

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WT: Practice What They Preach?
by abbagail in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
this watchtower excerpt was on the silent lambs guestbook page.

the wording is so crystal clear, you wonder how they got so off track with the sex abuse?

fwiw, i found this very very interesting indeed... grits.
Robert_V_Frazier

"a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court" is supposed to be definition 3. HTML screwed up.
Robert Frazier
9
WT: Practice What They Preach?
by abbagail in
1. watchtower
2. child-abuse
this watchtower excerpt was on the silent lambs guestbook page.

the wording is so crystal clear, you wonder how they got so off track with the sex abuse?

fwiw, i found this very very interesting indeed... grits.
Robert_V_Frazier
And what's with that word "krima"? It's not in my computer's dictionary, but karma is! ;)
That's because it's not an English word; it's Greek.
The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon
Strong's Number: 2917 Browse Lexicon
Original Word Word Origin
krima from (2919)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Krima3:942,469Phonetic SpellingParts of Speechkree'-mah Noun Neuter Definition
a decree, judgments
judgment
condemnation of wrong, the decision (whether severe or mild) which one passes on the faults of others
in a forensic sense
the sentence of a judge
the punishment with which one is sentenced
condemnatory sentence, penal judgment, sentence
a matter to be judicially decided, a lawsuit, a case in court

NAS Word Usage - Total:

NAS Verse Count
Matthew	2
Mark	1
Luke	3
John	1
Acts	1
Romans	6
1 Corinthians	3
Galatians	1
1 Timothy	2
Hebrews	1
James	1
1 Peter	1
2 Peter	1
Jude	1
Revelation	3

Total	28

Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary plus others; this is keyed to the large Kittel and the "Theological Dictionary of the New Testament." These files are public domain.

Source: http://bible.crosswalk.com/Lexicons/Greek/grk.cgi?number=2917&version=nas

Robert Frazier

"Work that will be completed in our 20th c...

by 67mustang in

i read an article about a 1989 watchtower that stated the preaching work would be completed in our 20th century, but was revised in the bound volume to say "in our day".

i told my brother this and he said, "if it's on the net about jw's it's a lie".

i want to prove to him it was a fact.

Robert_V_Frazier

Speaking of accurate info on the Watchtower on the internet, I came across one website* run by "hector3000", a self-styled JW "apologist" (whose website is in open rebellion against Borg directives forbidding dubs to set up such sites) in which he claimed, "Any document posted on a web-site AGAINST JW's that makes Witnesses look real bad, has an extremely high probability of being fabricated." He learned the art of exaggeration to the point of lying well from his "mother", but I'm curious if anyone could substantiate his claim in even one instance. Has anyone here ever seen a quote from the WBTS in any anti-JW website that was not genuine? A lot of them could be called out-of-context, since so many are only a sentence or two, but have you ever found one where the words in the quote really didn't exist in the Watchtower mags or books?

I never have, but I'm just wondering.

Robert Frazier

* http://hector3000.future.easyspace.com/email.htm

"Work that will be completed in our 20th c...

by 67mustang in

i read an article about a 1989 watchtower that stated the preaching work would be completed in our 20th century, but was revised in the bound volume to say "in our day".

i told my brother this and he said, "if it's on the net about jw's it's a lie".

i want to prove to him it was a fact.

Robert_V_Frazier

"if it's on the net about JW's it's a lie".

Actually, that's partly true. "if it's on the net about JW's on the official Watchtower website, http://www.watchtower.org/, it's a lie".

Robert Frazier

"Work that will be completed in our 20th c...

by 67mustang in

i read an article about a 1989 watchtower that stated the preaching work would be completed in our 20th century, but was revised in the bound volume to say "in our day".

i told my brother this and he said, "if it's on the net about jw's it's a lie".

i want to prove to him it was a fact.

Robert_V_Frazier

They replied and said that the words had been altered to avoid any ambiguity etc .

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-HA! "Ambiguity"??? How about to avoid getting caught in yet another false prophecy? Welcome to the Ministry of Truth. Big Brother loves you!

Robert Frazier

3 in 1 thing again.

by Bleep in

this is a site promoting a case of 20,000 and counting child molesters.

of course they had to have 3 areas to come up with a good number to start with.

why would this site want too take a number from three areas some may ask.

Robert_V_Frazier

No Elder will say you can not go to the authorities for this crime.

Most elders will say that, if the accused is an elder or some other leader in the Society. Even if they grudgingly admit that you can go to the authorities, most elders will also threaten you with disfellowshipping if you do.

But that's still not the point. No JW elder will tell you that you should go to the authorities. No JW elder will tell you that you should not be telling this to a gang of untrained, unqualified amateurs at the Kingdom Hall. No JW elder will volunteer the phone number for Child Protective Services. The Society's policy is to do the absolute minimum the law will currently permit them to get away with to protect the innocent from further harm and prosecute the guilty, up to and including doing nothing at all.

That's what you're defending. It's evil.

Robert Frazier

Are there limits to JW credulity?

by Robert_V_Frazier in

aparently not.

check out this thread on carm's jw forum while it lasts.

http://www.carmforums.org/dcforum/dcforumid17/578.html it seems some jw's found the onion's fake article on the pope forgiving the children in the roman catholic church for temping all those priests into sin, and they believed it!!!.

Robert_V_Frazier

Aparently not. Check out this thread on CARM's JW forum while it lasts. http://www.carmforums.org/dcforum/DCForumID17/578.html It seems some JW's found The Onion's fake article on the Pope forgiving the children in the Roman Catholic Church for temping all those priests into sin, and they believed it!!!

Robert Frazier

Quotes for the Newbies

by Beans in

for those of you who are new around here and are looking for great watchtower quotes please visit us at http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com there are so many great sites listed here at the bottom of the page that ya`ll can click on for some great information!

and for those that have been there before come and see what has been added.. beans

Robert_V_Frazier

Your site is an excellent resource. I use it often. Most recently about fifteen minutes ago, in a post at CARM to a lady who wanted to know what the Society taught about 1914 before 1914. Thanks for the great work you've done!

Robert Frazier

Quote from JW's response to Panorama

by Dacke in

from jw's letter to betsan powys of panorama (available at www.watchtower.org under "media"),on the policy of jw's handling of child abuse allegations:.

"in addition to making a report to the branch office of jehovah's witnesses, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities.

if so, we expect the elders to comply.

Robert_V_Frazier

See this thread (if one post counts as a thread) on the total refusal of the Society to advise calling the authorities in their own articles on child abuse:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=32439&site=3

Robert Frazier

Quote from JW's response to Panorama

by Dacke in

from jw's letter to betsan powys of panorama (available at www.watchtower.org under "media"),on the policy of jw's handling of child abuse allegations:.

"in addition to making a report to the branch office of jehovah's witnesses, the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities.

if so, we expect the elders to comply.

Robert_V_Frazier

In addition to making a report to the branch office of Jehovah's Witnesses,

The Society seems to imagine that there is something virtuous or commendable in reporting to the branch office. There isn't.

the elders may be required by law to report even uncorroborated or unsubstantiated allegations to the authorities.

The Society recognizes no obligation to uphold the law, punish the criminals, or protect the victims, current or future, JW or not.

If so, we expect the elders to comply.

If forced to against their will, they will grudgingly do the absolute minimum permitted by law to punish the criminals, or protect the victims, current or future, JW or not.

Additionally, the victim may wish to report the matter to the authorities, and it is his or her absolute right to do so.

Of course, she will be disfellowshipped and shunned by her family and the only friends she has ever known, but she has the absolute right to become an apostate and be killed by Jehovah at Armageddon.

In the United States, reporting requirements vary from state to state.

Remember, the Society is interested in doing only the absolute minimum required by law.

It can be quite a challenge to keep abreast of the reporting requirements, but our Legal Department makes every effort to do so

And under no circumstances will the Society EVER tell or advise the victim to call the cops. Grudgingly allow, maybe. But encourage, NEVER!!

Their condemnation is just.

Robert Frazier

Original Word	Word Origin
krima	from (2919)
Transliterated Word	TDNT Entry