Posts by ronin1

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

ronin1

Dragonfly:

This is what I said in my first post on this subject and I stick by it. Not all of us are emotionally, physically, or spiritually strong to handle setbacks- even if caused by our own actions. I am not making excused for his drunken driving actions but we certainly can understand:

I am not justifying his actions. What I am trying to point out is that while some of us (I was DF years ago at 18 and then reinstated years later) have the emotional and spiritual strength to deal with setbacks in our lives, others may be weak in those areas.

You know from hearing life experiences from persons that many resort to drugs, alcohol, self abuse, etc because they were not emotionally or mentally strong to deal with their life problems.

It seems to me that this young man (and if you saw his pic in the paper) was truly affected by being DF and shunned and handled it so terribly to the point of manslaughter and then still did not get himself together to stop drinking.

I stick to my point that the borg's DF and shunning rules have hurt too many persons in too many ways emotionally, mentally, and physically and this happened to this young man to the detriment of many persons losing their lives at his hands behind the wheel of a vehicle.

However, I am not making excuses for him but we must understand the domino effect the borgs' actions on him for his supposed (sin) somehow contributed to his making wrong life choices.

Ronin1

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

ronin1

Rosalee:

I hate to say this, but it seems to me most of your statements show a sign of not being in tune with what has been happening in the organization over the past years and currently:

For example:

Step 1 ... started by boy. That's how dominoes start :) "" Yes, he committed an offense, but he did not have to be disfellowshiped. My brother was an elder and many times elders can show compassion and mercy if they want".They certainly have let the child molesters stay in the congregations with DF them.

Step 2 ... I stand by the JC committee. They are imperfect but from all I've seen they always try to be fair. I mentioned already that some fall through the cracks and they have the right to appeal and/or seek reinstatement. " You obviously know nothing truly about the elder bodies in the organization or what truly goes on in a committe meeting. If you did, you could not make that statement with a clear or clean conscience:" (As in the case of my daughter)".

Step 3 ... it was not mentioned that he sought reinstatement so one may conclude that unless it is said to be so .. he didn't try. -Since it was not mentioned, no one can conclude whether he sought reinstatement or not.

Step 4 ... you are positively WRONG!!! A person who drinks does so of his own free will. He stands alone and must stop of his own free will. He may get help from others but it is his responsibility to act! This is true but he needs repeated and continued help from others and we really do not know the situation whether this was the case. You need to stop being so judgemental. Who made you Christ the Judge?

The rules of the society are scripturally based ... so you are in fact blaming Jehovah. - Either you have been living in a time warp or you are completely in denial. There are so many rules by the society THAT ARE NOT SCRIPTUALLY BASED that we have stopped counting. Where have you been all these years within the society? Have you not studied and read their literature and read many of their rules to know that many are made up and not based on scripture but on personal preferences and cult control tactics?

So if I decide to take hard drugs ... for whatever reason ... I can come here crying that it is the fault of the society? - By this statement you are being judgemental, unreasonable and unforgiving and you need to check yourself out. Yes, do not condone what this young man did but where on earth is your understanding and compassion? Even Christ Jesus had compassion and understanding for those that sinned? What is wrong with you?

Where is the logic? -WHERE IS YOUR LOGIC?

P.S.- Would anyone else on this post subject like to respond to my or Rosalee's statements?

Ronin

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

ronin1

Rosalee:

Let me first respond to your statements:

"Did the boy get df'd for nothing ... making the WTS responsible for the first step? NO. The boy started the effect by having sex before marriage."- No one said he did not take the first step by having sexual relations outside of marriage.

Step 2 ... he obviously did not show repentance and was thus df'd. - How do you know he was not repentant? Even though he was found guilty and sentenced- none of us knows what is in the heart of an individual. Only God knows. (Also, my daughter was in the same situation when she was 14 years old. I sat with her in the committee meeting and she showed repentence. But because I was a single parent and they were all hypcritical elders, they decided to make her an example and showed her no mercy. We even appealed and the elders (another set of hypocrites) denied our appeal-again they showed no mercy. And I knew my daughter was repentent. After that she slowly but surely left the organization because she saw that the love of God was not in these elders or many persons). So you cannot say if this young man was repentant- actually to be more frank with you- you have no right to come to that conclusion if you do not personally know this young man).

Step 3 .. if he wanted back in he could have taken steps to get reinstated ... he knows that too. 17 y/o's are a lot smarter than they often portray themselves. They know it looks better for themselves to feign ignorance. - Where do you get off being so judgemental? Do you know what issues or situations may have caused him not to work towards getting reinstated? Do you know if he did try to get reinstated?

Step 4 .. instead of helping himself, he decided to drink and drive. - If a person drinks, helping himself is not an option. That person must get help from others.

Now you and so many here see this as the societies fault. Have I missed anything? Don't think so. -No one is saying this is all the borg's fault. But clearly their rules have contributed to negative actions by many persons and this fact cannot be denied.

Ronin1

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If Michael Vick were a Witness...

by Numinous in

jw
friends

...it would be fine to hang dogs as long as you weren't smoking while you were doing it.

ronin1

Hi Ringo:

Thanks for your response and views. I truly appreciate and respect your views.

However, I noticed that you are located in Canada.

Well, I do not really know how blacks are treated in Canada, but there is a sentiment here in the US among many African Americans (not all) that African Americans are treated differently by the police, court systems, etc when it comes to various crimes. Many Africian Americans are unjustly beaten, arrested, convicted, jailed and given death sentences for the same crimes as committed by whites and other races in this country- and the statistics prove this to be true.

So now, when we see the authorities (right so going after persons committing cruelty against animals and it currently in the new it is only African Americans) when we know for a certain this practice is being committed by many other races in this country, it makes us sick to our stomachs.

African Americans in this country are tired of being the scapegoats and punching bags of the authorities because of the color of our skin, our economic or educational levels and tired of others being given special treatment or let off legally.

This is the reality in this Country and has been so since slavery times...........it has not stopped.

Ronin1

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JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

ronin1

Rosalee:

I am not justifying his actions. What I am trying to point out is that while some of us (I was DF years ago at 18 and then reinstated years later) have the emotional and spiritual strength to deal with setbacks in our lives, others may be weak in those areas.

You know from hearing life experiences from persons that many resort to drugs, alcohol, self abuse, etc because they were not emotionally or mentally strong to deal with their life problems.

It seems to me that this young man (and if you saw his pic in the paper) was truly affected by being DF and shunned and handled it so terribly to the point of manslaughter and then still did not get himself together to stop drinking.

I stick to my point that the borg's DF and shunning rules have hurt too many persons in too many ways emotionally, mentally, and physically and this happened to this young man to the detriment of many persons losing their lives at his hands behind the wheel of a vehicle.

However, I am not making excuses for him but we must understand the domino effect the borgs' actions on him for his supposed (sin) somehow contributed to his making wrong life choices.

Ronin1

85

JW Gets 37 years in prison after violating probation

by kwr in

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-flbblackledge0824nbaug24,0,7357675,print.story.

when glenn blackledge violated his probation on super bowl sunday, he ran out of second chances.. .

police found him slumped over the wheel of his still-running truck in a coral springs parking lot, reeking of alcohol.. ---snip---.

ronin1

Rosalee:

My husband and I discussed this tragedy, both for the young persons killed and for this young JW who was DF and then shunned.

I personally feel in his situation, had he not been DF and shunned- maybe he would have or could have handled his situation differenly and not drink himself to the point of being drunk, driving and taking persons lives.

I blame him for his actions but the JW cult for their unbiblical rules and regulations.

Clearly what happened to him in the cult org contributed to if not caused him to drink to wash away his feelings of being shunned, etc.

Just my opinion.

Ronin1

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If Michael Vick were a Witness...

by Numinous in

jw
friends

...it would be fine to hang dogs as long as you weren't smoking while you were doing it.

ronin1

My husband and I discussed this situation regarding Michael Vick and of course like many find it apalling what he has done.

However, his punishment regarding what he has done to the animals should not be more that what many domestic and sexual abusers, mass murderers, killers, and drunken drivers receive.

There should be a limit of putting an animals' life over the value of a human life. And many people who have killed, murdered, and sexually abused other humans are walking around in public, out on bail, committing the same offenses over and over again.

The same way Micael Vick has been vilified and punished because of what he has done, so should all others (black, white, asian, hispanic) should be hunted down and punished and vilified for animal cruelty and animal fights.

It seems there are a lot of persons involved in these type sof practices (all races) and that only one race is being hunted down and punished currently.

Now the authorities are going after a black rapper for this same type of offense and rightly so. But I am sure there are many of other races ( white, hispanic, asian, etc) involved in this same type of animal cruelty and I do not hear from the public a vilified outcry or see any of the authorities going after these people also.

Call it pulling the 'race card' if you want, but this is the reality in this country.

Ronin1

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What Do You Think of This Little Girl?

by journey-on in

jw
friends

this is amazing!.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqnrgoso948.

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ronin1

She is definitely talented.

But her repeated references to God and that God gave only her this talent, sounds demonic to me.

Ronin1

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GB's member Gerrit Losch on college in Monza (Italy) in 2005

by Ancientofdays in

i don't know if already posted this video, but it's really interesting .

i had a lot of rumor regarding this speech , but never listened my self before.

the speech is in italian, but some nice guy has subtitled in english.

ronin1

This video is sickening.

I am now 50 years old and pursuing my on-line degree in Business Management because I and many of my sisters and brothers (there are eight of us) listened to the Borg's garbage about not going to college back in the 70's.

Fortunately, three of my four sisters (three (3) still in the Borg) decided to go to college years later. One is a Registered Nurse Managing a Medical Facility in Queens, NY and the other when to college for a while to become a nurse, but stopped due to personal challenges. Still, I am glad she decided to at least make an effort to go back to school. My (smart) twin sister was DF many years ago and saw the corruptness and hypocrisy of the Borg early on and went to college and obtained her Registered Nurse degree and currently has her own business as a medical consultant for Life Insurance Companies. Two of my three brothers are going back to college. None of my brothers are in the Borg anymore.

My husband, who was a MS (he is from Barbados) obtained his GED, then obtained his Associates Degree in Computer Technology. Even though right now he is not employed in job yet using his degree, I am so proud of his decision to go college.

This video is a classic example of the religious, cult, propaganda this organization has enleased on its members to control their actions and money.....................

Ronin1

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Our Letter of Denunciation or 'Disassociation'

by Pioneer Spit...oh, i mean Spirit in

jw
friends

we have felt like we didn't need a letter, but suddenly we did, and it was liberating to write and send (multiple copies).. last para got biting and pointed, unfortunately, but facts are facts.

august 14, 2007. .

to whom it may concern:.

ronin1

I agree with the entire letter.

I would not delete the last paragraph..........no need to 'sugar coat' any wrongdoing by the WTS or their congs.

They do not 'sugar coat' any wrongdoing by its members when they want to Disfellowship someone.

Regarding the facts and truth': "it is what it is".

Ronin1