I think most people forget the history of our own country. Imagine yourself with Washington in 1777. You're stuck at Valley Forge, your general keeps getting his ass kicked by the redcoats and British general Howe is about to step on your throat. How many people would have bet on the Continental Army? How many would have wondered "is this rebellion a failure?" Were things really "that bad" under British rule that you would sacrifice your life or the life of your family for freedom? I believe the same can be said about Saddam's rule. In the end, only the opinion of the Iraqi people will truly matter.
roybatty
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Bush failure or stable Iraq?
by Spartacus inwould you rather see bush fail or a stable society for the iraqi people?
do anyone hate bush or america so much that you would rather see military failure which will mean more death and carnage for the iraqi people and the us/allied military?
or would you like to see a bush/allied military success, giving the iraqi people a chance to govern themselves toward a stable democratic society?
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Suppose Brooklyn Changed The Rules On Disfellowshipping?
by Englishman insuppose the society "adjusted their thinking" on the matter of disfellowshipping.
would you still feel so angry with the witnesses?
it occurs to me that df'ing is the bottom line when it comes to being obedient.
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it wont ever happen.
I agree 100%. Whenever I've explain to a non-JW the disfellowshipping arrangement and thus why my family and former JW friends won't even acknowledge my existance, they almost always say the same thing...
"What an effective way of controlling people."
The WT Society knows this is the ultimate tool to control the rank and file JWbots and they will never give it up.
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The Supremes Abolish 4th Amendment
by Amazing1914 injust a couple of days ago, the us supreme court ruled in a case that has demolished the 4th amendment which states:.
amendment iv: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
previously, you were secure in your person, including your cloths, car, house, etc.
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Some people are nervous, and with such extensive police power, they can be made to look very guilty, when in fact, they did little to nothing wrong.
I guess in some way with some of the points you're making. I just see other areas where abuse is so much more abundent. Look here in Illinois and the screw ups with death penalty convictions. Talk about abuse of power. If you're a young, black male without a lot of money, you're chances of seeing the ol' death penalty is far greater then a rich, white male.
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The Supremes Abolish 4th Amendment
by Amazing1914 injust a couple of days ago, the us supreme court ruled in a case that has demolished the 4th amendment which states:.
amendment iv: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
previously, you were secure in your person, including your cloths, car, house, etc.
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The man got nervous
Do you get nervous when a cop pulls you over? I don't. I may get mad and a little pissy with him because I was speedy and now I'm going to get a ticket but why get nervous?
If the driver was nervous, doesn't that give the police officer some cause for alarm?
This whole "1984" thinking has really got out of hand. Just like when we discussed the Patriot Act and the "lost" freedoms. Like I said before, what can't you do now because of either of these laws?
There are so many other "abuses" that people should be worried about. If you want to worry about something, try getting into a fight with the IRS. Without any type of due process, they can seize your home, bank accounts or anything else they'd like. WIth them, you are guilty unless you can prove your innocence. The only people who need to be worried about police dogs sniffing around your car are drug dealers. There are many areas that the government search people. What about at an airport? When my kids and I cam back from Mexico they had dog out in full force sniffinf everyone's luggage.
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The Supremes Abolish 4th Amendment
by Amazing1914 injust a couple of days ago, the us supreme court ruled in a case that has demolished the 4th amendment which states:.
amendment iv: the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
previously, you were secure in your person, including your cloths, car, house, etc.
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Your post isn't exactly accurate. He got a dog to sniff the ouside of the car, at which time the dog began to indicate that illegal drugs were in the car. It wasn't that the man refused to allow the officer to search his car and he went ahead and did so.
Personally, I don't see what the big deal is. Two exp. come to mind. The first one is a childhood friend who became a police officer and is now a detective. He commented that "probable cause" is easy to justify. Secondly, I had a secretary who's husband was a police officer that worked with local DEA agents. She said that they fly in helicopters with equipment that can scan homes to detect the special indoor lighting needed to grow plants. I guess people grow pot in their basements in order to hide it from the police but the police can scan their homes to detect this light. I'm sure they don't have warrents to do this.
One thing that does surprise me is the roadblocks the police are allowed to set up to catch drunk drivers. It's one thing to have a reason to pull someone over and then suspect that they're up to something, it's something else to pull over every driver coming down the road and check to see if they have been drinking.
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Bush failure or stable Iraq?
by Spartacus inwould you rather see bush fail or a stable society for the iraqi people?
do anyone hate bush or america so much that you would rather see military failure which will mean more death and carnage for the iraqi people and the us/allied military?
or would you like to see a bush/allied military success, giving the iraqi people a chance to govern themselves toward a stable democratic society?
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I would like to see a stable and democratic Iraq but I do not think that will happen while Bush and co are involved. All they care about is the oil. That is all they have put real effort into securing.
Yeah, just look at all that cheap oil streaming out of Iraq and into the US, oh,,,,er...I mean streaming out of Iraq and into companies owned by Bush & Co.....oh...er...um...
If they really wanted to control the oil in Oraq, why not do it the U.N. way and bribe Iraqi officals and ripe off the people of Iraq? Isn't that the European way?
This election is a complete farce and would not be tollerated in the US. Would they have held elections in Washington for instance with the sniper running around? Of course not ... and yet you will label whatever fiasco Bible Bush dishes up and call it inspired.
Yeah, and then we'd be hearing you say "Oh, look, Bush & Co. cancelled the elections because they don't want a free Iraq..."
Oh, and I think it already counts as military failure. You have proven to the world that you cannot occupy a country that has had 10 years of sanctions and bombings despite having the worlds biggest military. I bet the Iranians, North Koreans and Chinese are pissing themselves laughing.
Military failure? Why? Because the U.S. doesn't control every street? Like I said before, the U.S. will be out of Iraq and it will be a stable country way before the Brits are out of Ireland. Talk about military disasters.
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US Special Troops in Iran?
by Midget-Sasquatch inhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4180087.stm#
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as if the ayatollahs weren't paranoid enough?
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Simon It's been really reassuring to read your posts and know that English people aren't as easily fooled as the American and even Australian public generally seem to be these days.
That's 100% true. We Americans are way too trusting...we are! We trust that our leaders have our best interests in mind. We trust Bush, while he's bankrupts our country, we trust Clinton while he sells the White House to the highest biders, we trust that big corporations are doing good while behind the scenes they are shipping our jobs overseas. We can learn a little something in this department from our European cousins.
On the other had, I find it ironic that we as Americans are painted as "anti-Islam" while Europe is not. After 911 happened, how many Mosqes in the US were burned down? How many Muslims were lynched or beat up? I didn't read anything in the papers about such things happening. Can you imagine if 911 happened in London or Paris or Amsterdam? They would have burned down ever mosqe in their country. We Americans "trust" that the Muslims in our country won't do us harm. On the other hand, the distrust Europeans have has lead them to abuse these living in their lands.
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1/15/05 Saturday Chicago Meetup--Reza's Restaurant (Clark Street)
by blondie in1/15/05 saturday chicago meetup?reza?s restaurant, 5255 n clark st (by wrigley field)
we are shooting for 5:30 pm giving us time to eat and talk and go to either the green mill or the jazz showcase afterwards.
parking: street parking possible, free lot (5238 n. clark st.)
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Who's name is the reservation under??
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Are/Were California witnesses REALLY different?
by TMS inrumors and urban legends abound with respect to california .
witnesses.
my suspicion is that envy and the hollywood personna.
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The best disfellowshipping stories always came from California. Too much Californication out there...
When I was a JW, it always seemed that California was the land of apostates. lol. There seemed to always be a story about some local, midwest, JW family who, after moving to Cal., turned apostate. Yeah, and it seemed that JW's out west were able to bend the rules more (aka have fun).
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im curious where is everyone from?
by brokenfairy in.
i am originally from the fort worth/grand prairie area....just curious as to where others have come from?
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I'm from the Belvidere/Rockford, IL
Hmmm....about 7 or 8 years ago I knew an elder from that area. Big shot on the regional commitee. I believe he was at that time in his late 40's and owned a brick laying company. On the short and slender side with brown hair. Wish I could recall his name. After being on the RBC for a few years he was really starting to get burnt out and began seeing the business side of the Society's work. I always wondered whatever happened to him.