Posts by royboy

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Dfd and looking toward re-instatment

by GoingNuts in

i have been dfd since i turned 19, i aux, pioneered for a short time and then selfishly went after the fruits of the flesh.

smoking, sex, drinking, drugs, etc.... the thing i couldn't, or wouldn't, see at the time was that i was acting selfishly.

it didn't matter what others in the cong.

royboy

Hello goinnuts

I had been a witness since 1969. I was a ministerial servant, then an elder. My wife had pioneered for about 15 years and my daughter pioneered since she graduated high school. My son is married and is a ministerial servant. We had a great marriage of 30years and had no reason for upsetting what seemed to be a perfect well-respected theocratic family. While conducting the study in the Revelation book, I could see how something didn't seem right. John's prophecies all seemed to apply to the WT and the faithful slave. The seven trumpets John saw was the 7 proclamations at the 7 assempblies from 1922 to 1928. The hail was the hard-hitting messages we were proclameing. The vehicles were the publications and on and on. I decided to begin an investigation and it led to our belief in the 144,000. I won't go into it here but if you want what I learned you can e-mail me at [email protected]. The elders were only interested in have me be loyal to whatever the Wt says. One C.O. told me that if the Faithful slave is wrong, they will answer to Jah. but I will be blessed for being loyal to the org. I told the elders that the scriptures says that we are each personally accountable to Jah. One thing led to another and when I saw they were going to DF me I gave them my letter of DA. 3 months later while I was at work, many in the cong. came to my house and moved my wife and daughter out of my house to an undisclosed location. I have not seen them or my son and only granddaughter in 3 years. I know that they are told to hate all who leave the org. not even to pray for them. I use to believe that all was done for Gods glory and any who leave were wicked people who leave Jehovah. I have a much deeper love for God today and an understanding of Grace than I ever did in the Wt. What has happened to me is not unique. Anyone who questions the teachings of the WT is subject to discipline. I would suggest that you find something, even the smallest of a difference you have with the WT, be it the holidays, birthdays, wearing a beard, blood issue and see what happens to you. You can have no freedom of thought in the WT and I think you know that.

Roy

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RE: Bald headed men

by royboy in

i would like to share with all of you a letter i sent to the wt on oct. 13,1999 to the questions from the readers dept.

after reading the finished mystery book by rutherford, i found many ridiculous statements, but this one topped them all.

dear brothers,.

royboy

I would like to share with all of you a letter I sent to the WT on Oct. 13,1999 to the questions from the readers Dept. After reading the finished mystery book by Rutherford, I found many ridiculous statements, but this one topped them all.

Dear Brothers,

I have a question which no one has been able to answer for me thus far. It has been causing me a great deal of distress and worry. I hope you can help.

This is my problem: My hair line has been receding lately thus causing my forehead to appear progressively higher. On the other hand, however, I appear to be getting progressively balder. Pastor Russell told us that a high forehead indicated a higher degree of intelligence and Brother Rutherford said in the finished mystery book on page 165 that bald headed people have excess gas trapped in the brain due to clogged follicles thereby causing them to be confused.

My question is: Am I getting progressively more intelligent or progressively more confused. Can you understand my dilemma and can you help me.

Can you, also, advise me if there is a point on the head that intelligence stops and stupidity begins and where that spot is.

This question has got me very CONFUSED. Oh no! It's startin to happen.

Brother Confused

I never received a reply so I'm still confused.

Roy

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AN APOLOGY TO THE WATCHTOWER

by royboy in

i would like to invite all to my 3 year anniversary of my d.a.

today.

let me know what you would like to bring to the party.

royboy

Prisca-
I'm glad you liked it, I'll bet the Wt didn't. Of coarse you can do anything you want with it.
Roy

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AN APOLOGY TO THE WATCHTOWER

by royboy in

i would like to invite all to my 3 year anniversary of my d.a.

today.

let me know what you would like to bring to the party.

royboy

I would like to invite all to my 3 year anniversary of my D.A. today
let me know what you would like to bring to the party. 3 years ago today, I handed the elders my D.A. letter than I sent the wt a letter of apology. Thought I would share it with you:

I wish to express my sincere apology to the Watchtower Bible and tract Society for my negligence in not applying some of your fine counsel. Throughout the years, I have seen fit to mostly apply the wonderful information found in the publications as pertaining to those we meet at the doors but not to me. When I read in the Nov. 22, 1984 awake on keeping an open mind, not to allow prejudice or pre-conceived ideas to lead your thinking, to be open to new thoughts and ideas, I did not apply it to myself. You instructed me to be like the Boreans and search the scriptures for the truth and not to trust in man but only in the one who can give us salvation. Ps. 146:3. In this I have been negligent. I have allowed man to do my thinking and reasoning for me. I have allowed man to guide my conscience in personal matters rather than being led by spirit and truth as Jesus taught. I allowed mans spirit to guide me rather than Gods holy spirit.I did all this for the sake of unity and for brotherhood. Little did I realize that the cost of conformity with man would be seperation from God. And unity at all cost leaves as its victim truth at all cost. You told me to apply the word of God and to do as it says but I did not listen to you.

You also helped me to see how to distinquish between a true prophet and a false one. Oct. 8, 1968 awake says "True, there have been those in times past who predicted an "end to the world", even announcing a specific date.....yet nothing happened. The "end" did not come. They were guilty of false prophesying." You even referred me to Deut. 18:22 to further identify the false prophet. "When the prophet seaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it. You must not get frightened at him." Not only did specific dated that you predicted not come true such as 1874,1914,1915,1916,1918,1925,1941, but only seven years after this article was printed, the date of 1975 did not come true which this entire article was referring to. I did not listen to your warnings not to follow after those who set dates as the the end of the world.

I was also instructed by you to be led by spirit and by truth, and yet when my brother had sinned and needed comfort, I did not follow that spirit within me which said to come alongside such a one and build him up. I didn't talk to my brother or help my brother simply because of fear of peer pressure and intimidations that the same discipline would befall me. I feel ashamed that your good counsel of showing love and compassion for my fellow man in their time of despair was ignored by me. I had even participated in throwing out of the congregation those who in retrospect were not wicked or evil. 1 Cor. 5:13. They needed love and mercy from me and the congregation but they were no longer worthy of that love which Jesus commanded us to give. This was all done under the guise of keeping the congregation clean and I believed it to be a God ordained duty to do so. How foolish of me to think this way when some of these sinned filled individuals still displayed a love for God.

You also told me to be loyal to God and to his Son but I found myself becoming more and more loyal to an organization rather than to God. I found myself accepting anything and everything that was printed in a book or a magazine over the word of God. I believed it when you said that individual thought was unacceptable, that disloyalty to an organization would be the same as disloyalty to God. You told me that we must obey God as ruler rather than man. Act.5:29. But I did not listen to you. I obeyed man over God for the sake of unity.

I, here and now, vow to take your advice and search the scriptures and let the spirit of God lead me to the truth and not man or any organization. I will seek out a personal relationship with God and his Son and will not pass this responsibility to anyone else. I will be accountable for my actions and worship God in spirit and in truth as Jesus instructed me to do. Therefore, when Jesus returns to do the judging he can say to me, "Well done my faithful servant".

I also vow to be on guard against those false prophets who come with empty words, and who set dates of the end of the world which we are not to have knowledge of.

I vow to not be intimidated by those who insist on total submission, adherence and obedience to their interpretation of scripture and throwing out all those who disagree.

Finally, I do vow to show my loyalty to the Father and to his Son and not to any man or man made organization from which no salvation belongs.

So, my apology goes out to the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society who did warn me of thesre things to watch out for but I did not listen to you

Regretfully yours:

Roy

HAPPY THIRD ANNIVERSARY

COME AS YOU ARE IN THE LORD

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Stupid people

by tattoogrl333 in

well in an attempt to question and learn more about the bible as was suggested to me by various people, i attended church with a friend.

afterwards i spoke with the preacher, and asked him about some of the things i had learned from the jw.

he quickly disregarded what i told him and pointed out a few scriptures, i showed him more that backed up what i had been taught.

royboy

Tattoo= I was in the org. for 30 yrs and out 5. 5 yrs were spent as an elder. I say this because I believe I have a lot to offer christians in the churches. To give them some insight into a cult members mind. I have gone to several churches in my area offering to help christians to overcome the errors and deceptions of those who come right to their doors. I have given a few workshops, but most pastors are not interested. several have said to me, "All we need to learn is the truth and we will be able to dispell the errors. This is the same thing we were told in order not to investigate other teachings. However, on many occasions I would present something from a witnesses point of view and they would not be able to overcome the objection. It has been very discouraging to me to see the apathy within the churches and their lack of interest in trying to reach out to those who are trapped in the cults. However, there are some christians who are sincerely interested in learning so we must not give up in trying to reach them.

Roy

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my experience

by jonjonsimons in

this is my first post to this board so please be gentle with me.

ha!

i wanted to tell my story, which in itself is not all that different than others i have read here, but here goes.

royboy

read you tale. You said it wasn't unlike many of us out here. I beg to differ. what a story!! It makes mine trivial in comparison. It makes me wonder how you can be normal at all. Christ can heal the broken-hearted.

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POLL - Elders vs Molesters

by Amazing in

i wish to conduct a legitimate poll, or at least as legitimate as it can get on this forum.

unless you are or were a jw, please do not respond or make comments.

please simply give an answer, without extended comments.

royboy

I personally know one jw molester.

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sister says prayer with elders !!!!!

by jurs in

jw
friends

this friday the elders are coming over to discuss my da letter.

i keep studying and thinking of what i want to say.

i'm sure they'll open with a prayer.

royboy

This is my first reply post. Just joined this site and read what jurs is going thru. I went thru a simular thing 3 yrs ago. My wife of 30 yrs and my daughter (both pioneers) and me, a former elder was asked to go before the elders on charges of apostatcy. They had warned me prior to this not to speak to anyone of what I learned but I did. I knew exactly what they were going to do so I prepared a long D.A. letter and planned to read it to them. The letter was cleaverly written, full of damning facts about the org. I figured I would get my last licks in before I go. I started to read it and one of the elders stopped me and said "they don't want to here this" I said but you have to read it, it's my letter of d.a. They refused and I got up and left. Jurs, The elders have only one thing on there mind and that is to defend the org. and keep the cong. clean of people who expose the facts. they don't want to hear anything you have to say. I had one of the elders tell me "you can ask your questions to us and will tell you what the org. has to say about it" Lets start defending Gods word and not some man-made org. Within 8 mo. after this event, my wife and daughter was moved out of my house by the "brothers" while I was at work. Havn't seen any of them since. This is the kind of org. were dealing with here. So, I agree with those who recommend not to go to confront them. If you go, simply hand them your letter and leave. I wish I had done this. I was foolish to think anything I said or read to them would change the outcome.

Best to you Jurs

Roy

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new one

by royboy in

just registered in and wanted to say hi to every one.

will post my story at another time.

royboy

Just registered in and wanted to say hi to every one. will post my story at another time.

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New one

by royboy in

just registered here and wanted to say hi to all and tell you a little about myself.

i was a witness for about 30 years.

seems like everybody i talk to leaves after 30 years.

royboy

Just registered here and wanted to say hi to all and tell you a little about myself. I was a witness for about 30 years. Seems like everybody i talk to leaves after 30 years. Must be a magical number when we all get our senses back. I began questioning and reading the bible without the aid of the Publications about 5 years ago. The Holy Spirit help me to see that I had the hope of going to heaven and I'm not even one of the 144,000. I tried to discuss my findings with my wife and 2 children but they refused to talk about it. Go to the elders, they said. Elders didn't take me seriously, as I was one of them just a few years prior. They thought it would just blow over. When I discussed it with other members, that's when they took it seriously and reproved me. About 3 years ago, I D.A myself. My wife and daughter were and is pioneers for many years. My married son, a Ministerial servant couldn't handle the embarresment and now shun me. Came home from work 2 years ago and found that the "brothers" had come over and moved my wife and daughter out to an undisclosed location. Havn't seen them since. Havn't seen my only granddaughter since she was one year old. This tragedy can be filed right along all the rest of the tragedys out there. Christian love to you all.