i made it into gc.
how rude those people are.
as i am skimming through their posts, still on the announcements thread, i can see how silly they sound, now that i am on the outside.
Well don't give yourself away, they do spy on these boards. Sometimes you can say and do all the right things and they still find out you and what you really are!
But make the best fo it!
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hello all.. i'm just trying to get a handle on everyone in here..so how long have all of you been out of the borg?
also how long was it till you got on here??.
lydia
Yep, I had some good experiences. But you know what? It wasn't hard for me to just get up and leave. I had nothing holding me back. In fact I enjoyed the last year or so where I really pushed the envelop to see what would happen.
I was well respected in the congregation and my fellow elders hated me with a passion, but nonetheless respected me for speaking my mind. But after a year I grew tired of the game and so redigned my position, they were more than happy to accept it, because they never bothered to talk with me, I handed it to them on a Tuesday during a elders meetings and walked out the door, they announced it the next day at the meeting.
But I got the last laugh, because I kicked the bookstudy out of my home, and I refuse to lend support to the congregation in any way except witnessing.
A servant tapped me on the shoulder and extended the microphone to me before the Watchtower study, I looked at him and laughed, "I don't do that anymore" I said, and sat back down. One of the elders looked at me and gave me a smirk.
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Religion is man's attempt to reach God,
Jesus is God's attempt to reach man.
the october 8 awake!
journals has a cover article on .... you guessed it halloween.
it traces its roots to the celtic festivals.. "apples and hazelnuts, both viewed as products of sacred trees, were used to divine information concerning marriage, sickness, and death.
Makena
RR - really enjoyed reading your personal experience.
Where is it this time? lol
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in view of the jw reactions on items such as the ngo thing, harbouring child molesters, it made me wonder about what it would take for the average jw to really grasp that the gb, the org and lots of its doctrine is not what it claims to be.. personally i've experienced that after a longwinded argument with an elder about the validity of the 1914 doctrine, he eventually agreed that it wasn't as solid as he thought and that it could be incorrect.
did he see the light (or its absence)?
interestingly enough, he immediately added that even if all this were true/untrue, it would not invalidate his loyalty to the org & gb.
I remember a conversation I had with a JW women which still boggles my mind when I think of it. Asked if one day she opened the Watchtower and it supported the Trinity and other orthodox teachings what would she do? She said, 'nothing, this is Jehovah's organization and I will believe that he is cleaning it up.'
Asked if it became orthodox, how would you differentiate it from other orthodox religions, she said 'the preaching work and the love we have, two identifying marks.'
sheesh!!!
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hello all.. i'm just trying to get a handle on everyone in here..so how long have all of you been out of the borg?
also how long was it till you got on here??.
lydia
I've been out physically about ten years. Mentally? I was probably in about three years, but I stayed because I enjoyed it and felt despite its problems, these were good people.
I was always an independent thinker, which is probably what saved me from giving up my Christian freedom to them. But in the end, I stepped down, walked out and never went back except for a funeral.
Never been DF'd, as far as their concerned, I'm inactive, and that's the way I like it! Despite my involvement with another Church.
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Religion is man's attempt to reach God,
Jesus is God's attempt to reach man.
the october 8 awake!
journals has a cover article on .... you guessed it halloween.
it traces its roots to the celtic festivals.. "apples and hazelnuts, both viewed as products of sacred trees, were used to divine information concerning marriage, sickness, and death.
The October 8 Awake! journals has a cover article on .... you guessed it Halloween. It traces its roots to the celtic festivals.
"Apples and hazelnuts, both viewed as products of sacred trees, were used to divine information concerning marriage, sickness, and death. For example, apples with identifuing marks were placed in a tub of water. By seizing an apple using only the mouth, a young man or woman was supposed to be able to identify his or her future spouse. This divination practice survives today in the Halloween game of bobbing for apples."
So there you have it ... new light. I wonder how many JW's will swear off apples and apple products as being pagan.
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i'm debating on when to actually decide and step down as a ministerial servant.
my conscience will no longer allow me to give talks or speak to others in the door-to-door work.. i'm feeling really apprehensive about what i need to do, i know for a fact that my wife is going to be devestated.. .
whats the best way to step down from an appointed position?
I just wrote the Presiding Overseer a resignation letter and cc'd it to the Body of elders and servants. Told them I didn't want to talk about. and they didn't even try. That was a Monday, they announced it on Wednesday. I walked out and never went back! Ten years later, they still never bother with me.
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grew up at jersey shore, wondering if there are any former jws from there who frequent the board?
er .... that would be me! Somerset County! Although I'm a city boy, born and raised in Da Bronx
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found this material on an yahoo egroups site on greek theology on which quite a number of witness apologists contribute.
there is quite a bit of interesting stuff on here, but here is a worthwhile comment made on the 144,000 as they relate to the "fds class" and jw's since 1879. establishes from purely mathematical point of view that the 144,000 cannot be a literal but figurative.
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Cosmo:
I'm sorry if I'm not up to speed with the way JW's think, but can someone explain why Jesus needs anyone else to help him govern?
Because that is teh way Jehovah planned it! The Scriptures are clear that the Church would be a ruling class in the Kingdom.
The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together. (Romans 8:16,17)
To him that overcomes will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (Revelation 3:21)
It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we will also live with him: If we suffer, we will also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: (2 Timothy 2:11,12)
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Religion is man's attempt to reach God,
Jesus is God's attempt to reach man.
found this material on an yahoo egroups site on greek theology on which quite a number of witness apologists contribute.
there is quite a bit of interesting stuff on here, but here is a worthwhile comment made on the 144,000 as they relate to the "fds class" and jw's since 1879. establishes from purely mathematical point of view that the 144,000 cannot be a literal but figurative.
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Individual
it would appear to me that the 144,000 represented the original Jewish nation and the great crowd out of all the nations is representative of the Gentiles.
This is a view held by many professing Christians, that teh 144,000 are literal Jews, they believe in the end these will convert to Christianity and that they will convert a great crowd, AFTER the True Church has been raptured.
However, as mentioned before, Revelation 14 also speaks of 144,000, and these can be seen are the Church, Christians. Are these the same or two different groups?
The fact that the tribes mentioned are not the original, leads me to believe the tribes are symbolic of something else. However, lately I have been tpying with the idea of their being two classes of 144,000 in the Kingdon, the Jewish tribes as princes in the earth, and the heavenly tribe as the Kings and priest OVER the earth.
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Religion is man's attempt to reach God,
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