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  Publications Out of Print

  by cinnamon1642 in

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  according to one of the local elders i've heard that the following publications can no longer be ordered from the branch by the congregations:.

  worship the only true god (2002).

  keep on the watch!

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  they're out of print, so that the Society can print new editions and make more money.
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  Changes in Elder arrangement?

  by metatron in

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  there are continuing rumors about changes that are going to be made in the elder arrangement.

  while these are still only rumors, i wish .

  to repeat that the society must be under pressure to make legally motivated changes to the elder structure.. first, the appointment of elders seems to be much more direct than the appointment of most priests or pastors in common religions.. that might be a problem leading directly to the governing body.. more than that, there is a clearly defined hierarchy going up from local elders thru the c.o.

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  What the Society needs to do is go back to basics, as in the days of Russell and allow each congregation to nominate and elect their own elders and servants based on 1 Timothy 3. While this MAY result in nepotism, if the members of the congregation are truly spiritually-minded, having not only theirs but the spiritual best interest of the whole congregation, nepotism can and will be avoided.

  Among the Bible Students, elders, deacons and others officers were elected by the raising of the hand, one was nominated, and seconded, added to a list, the following step usually a week later, the names were put forth and each member of teh congregation voted, a majority vote of 75% would be the person elected for ONE year and the process is repeated yearly.

  A reading on various scriptures on the qualifications of elders were read and discussed.

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  Who to Send a Disassociation Letter To?

  by WTWizard in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if i am going to send a disassociation letter, i am wondering which hounder to send it to.

  i know there is no mailboxes at the kingdumb hell, so any letters that get sent there would end up dead mail.

  and i know that one does not send them to the washtowel slaveholdery.

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  Mail two letters via certified mail with signature confirmation to the local body of elders and the Governiong Body.
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  Salvation Book scans or .pdf about Beth Sarim

  by Darklighter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello every one.... does anyone have a link to this?

  i need the beth sarim stuff from page 311... i have a scan of the deed from golden age, but i think the way rutherford gloats about it in the salvation is much more damning.. any help is much appreciated!.

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  Here is a PDF of the Deed to Beth Sarim

  http://www.biblestudents.net/downloads/Deed_Beth_Sarim.pdf
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  Salvation Book scans or .pdf about Beth Sarim

  by Darklighter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello every one.... does anyone have a link to this?

  i need the beth sarim stuff from page 311... i have a scan of the deed from golden age, but i think the way rutherford gloats about it in the salvation is much more damning.. any help is much appreciated!.

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  The interview with J.F. Rutherford that appeared
  in the San Diego Sun, March 15, 1930

  "But how will you identify King David or any of the other representatives from God?' Rutherford was asked. 'I thought all that out before I wrote the deed,' the judge replied with a twinkle in his gray eyes. 'I realized the possibility of some old codger turning up bright and early some morning and declaring he was David. The men whom I have designated to test the identity of these men are officers of my societies and have consecrated themselves to the Lord, they will be divinely authorized to know impostors from the real princes.'"

  Time Magazine of Mar 31, 1930 wrote: "Judge Joseph Frederick Rutherford 60, lives in a ten room Spanish mansion, No 4440 Braeburn Rd, San Diego, Calif. Last week he deeded No 4440 Braeburn Road, and adjacent two car garage and a pair of automobiles to King David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, Samuel and sundry other mighties of ancient Palestine. Positive is he that they are shortly to reappear on earth, Said he: 'I have purposely landscaped the place with palm and olive trees so that these princes of the universe will feel at home ..".

  The San Diego Sun of Jan 9 1931 wrote: "A gaunt unshaven tramp has been the lone claimant for the $75,000 Southern Californian mansion of David, king of Israel, since it was deeded to the Biblical character a year ago. This was revealed today by Judge James Rutherford, temporary owner of the luxuriantly furnished Spanish type mansion at 440 Braeburn Rd in the exclusive Kensington Heights district. In one of the oddest deeds ever recorded, Rutherford, president of the International Bible Students Association and the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, has placed in trust the magnificent estate for ancient kings and prophets of Israel. The slayer of Goliath and his companions may occupy the 10 room modern home with it's landscaped gardens and patio as soon as their credentials are approved by Rutherford and officials of his societies, divinely authorised to recognise them.

  One morning as I was going from the house to the garage, a queer looking creature approached me, tipped his dirty hat and cried 'Howdy Judge, I'm David' 'Go and tell that to the winds', I told him and he left without arguing the matter. I could see at a glance that he was not David. He didn't look like I knew David would look.' Asked how he expected David and his distinguished brethren to look, Rutherford, without hesitation, opened his huge Bible and pointed to a verse which said that the Princes of the Universe would be risen from the dead 'as perfect men'. 'I interpret that to mean', the tall dignified Judge declared, 'that David, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jepthae, Joseph and Samuel will be sent here to wrench the world from Satan's grasp, clothed in modern garb as we are, and able, with little effort, to speak our tongue.' Rutherford pictured the arrival of the biblical delegation perhaps in frock coats, high hats, canes and spats.

  At Beth Sarim (House of Princes) as Rutherford has named his mansion, David will find the most modern appliances that science has devised. When the distinguished guests walk up the circular stairway to the second floor, they will find a large office with red leather chairs and shiny flat topped desk with inverted lighting. Even French telephones await the touch of the princes. Opening a wide door, the native sons of Palestine will behold a large bathroom, resplendent in shiny black tile with needle shower and an amply filled medicine chest. What a thrill giant shouldered Samson, who wrecked a palace with his bare fists might find in the gold safety razor and strop! Rutherford built the second floor bedroom, which he temporarily occupies, large in order to accommodate several of the expected owners. With wide pane windows that look out on the purple Cuyamacas to the East and California's first mission to the north, the bedroom is almost severe in it's furnishings. The rulers of the universe will have simple tastes, the judge apparently believes, although the austere end tables sported gaily covered fiction magazines. Rutherford has imported some Koniach, Wasser from Cologne, Germany to freshen the princely faces after shaving. A black skull cap hangs over one of the bedposts.

  The coming of David and his companions will be the greatest news story of the ages, Rutherford predicted. 'I am not a publicity seeker,' Rutherford said with a twinkle in his kindly brown eyes, 'but I feel that the world should know about their arrival. It will be a great news story.' Word of his 'House of king David' has reached into every corner of the world, the judge stated. 'Everywhere I went people asked me about this place,' Rutherford said. 'In Chicago a millionaire manufacturer offered to build another house for David, but I declined the offer. 'Literally thousands have driven here to see this place,' Rutherford continued. 'Many have come to the door and my secretary has shown them about the place.' The patio with it's silver pool and olive and palm trees is gay with flowers. Down toward the canyon, paths have been landscaped to allow David and his friends to walk in meditation. Many of the fruits and trees, native to their Palestine, will greet the rulers when they arrive. In the two car garage next door stands a new, yellow 16 cylinder coupe which will be turned over to the rulers along with all the personal property on the place. 'Everything will be theirs, the house, the land, the furnishings and even the clothes if they need them,' Judge Rutherford said. 'What will I do? Oh, don't worry about me. I'll manage somehow.' the judge smiled. He had another 'Watch Tower' residence on Staten Island and practically an entire floor at Bethel. The seven famous men will not have long to rest at their San Diego estate because they soon will lead the forces of the Lord to vanquish the minions of Satan at the battle of Armageddon, Rutherford believed. 'But they will win out. The Lord will punish the devil and will show that the preachers and the politicians have been giving the people false counsel,' Rutherford said confidently. Rutherford will sail May 9 for Europe where he will speak before conventions in Berlin, Paris and London."
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  Salvation Book scans or .pdf about Beth Sarim

  by Darklighter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello every one.... does anyone have a link to this?

  i need the beth sarim stuff from page 311... i have a scan of the deed from golden age, but i think the way rutherford gloats about it in the salvation is much more damning.. any help is much appreciated!.

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  Do you have pets? What kind? Names?

  by White Dove in

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  2. friends

  i do believe that introductions are in order.. ok, me first.

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  waaaaa!!

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  Two cats - Storm and Sam
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  Salvation Book scans or .pdf about Beth Sarim

  by Darklighter in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hello every one.... does anyone have a link to this?

  i need the beth sarim stuff from page 311... i have a scan of the deed from golden age, but i think the way rutherford gloats about it in the salvation is much more damning.. any help is much appreciated!.

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  Interestingly, notice what the 1975 Yearbook says about Beth Sarim:

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  *** yb75 pp. 193-194 Part 3—United States of America ***
  had gained ground and he was compelled to have an operation at Elkhart, Indiana. Thereafter he expressed a desire to go to California. So he was taken to a San Diego residence known as “Beth-Sarim.” For some time it was apparent to his associates and the best medical experts that he could not recover.

  Briefly it may be said that Brother Rutherford had a severe case of pneumonia after his release from unjust imprisonment during 1918-1919 because of his faithfulness to Jehovah. Thereafter he had only one good lung. It was virtually impossible for him to remain in Brooklyn, New York, during the winter and still carry out his duties as the Society’s president. In the 1920’s he went to San Diego under a doctor’s treatment. The climate there was exceptionally good and the doctor urged him to spend as much time as possible in San Diego. That is what Rutherford did ultimately.

  In time, a direct contribution was made for the purpose of constructing a house in San Diego for Brother Rutherford’s use. It was not built at the expense of the Watch Tower Society. Concerning this property, the 1939 book Salvation stated: “At San Diego, California, there is a small piece of land, on which, in the year 1929, there was built a house, which is called and known as Beth-Sarim.”

  Sister Hazel Burford was one of the nurses who cared for Brother Rutherford during his final illness at Beth-Sarim, where he was taken in November 1941. She tells us: “We had the interesting times, for he got to where he would sleep all day and then all night long he was busy with the Society’s business and kept us on the move.” One morning about the middle of December three brothers, including Brother Knorr, arrived from Brooklyn. Sister Burford recalls: “They spent several days with him going over the annual report for the Yearbook and other organizational matters. After their departure, Brother Rutherford continued to weaken and, about three weeks later, on Thursday, January 8, 1942, he faithfully finished his earthly course and graduated into fuller service privileges in the courts of his heavenly Father.” Later that day the news was sent to the Brooklyn headquarters by long-distance telephone at 5:15 p.m.
  How was news of J. F. Rutherford’s death received at Brooklyn Bethel? “I will never forget the day we learned of Brother Rutherford’s passing,” comments William A. Elrod. “The announcement was brief. There were no speeches.”

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  You’ll notice that although they quote the Salvation book, they misquote, leaving out the most important part contradicting the Yearbook, namely that Beth-Sarim was built NOT for the Judge’s ill health, but for the ancient worthies, some of whom are mentioned in Hebrews 11.
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  Why Adam and Eve were unfairly judged by God

  by BreakingAway in

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  2. beliefs

  the argument has been made on many occasions that death and suffering are a result of adam's sin.in fact, the bible is so clear on this "fact" that it is one of the few things on which nearly every christian denomination will agree.. "therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned romans 5:12. however, i would like to present the case that god had, in fact, not told adam this very thing, and consequently, adam was unaware of what really would take place upon eating the fruit.notice this verse:.

  "but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.

  " gen.2:17. i highlighted the word "you" because this is absolutely critical.why ?

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  Actually God did not give Adam and Eve a raw deal. Judge Rutherford and the Watchtower Society gave them a raw deal. C.T. Russell believed that Jesus died for Adam and in dying for Adam, redeemed ALL of mankind, because mankid came from the lions of Adam.

  We're told that Jesus "died a ransom for all." I wonder what part of ALL the JW's don't understand.

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  Sisters with Kleenex on their head

  by LearningMore in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so, i keep hearing reference to this.

  was this just taking place in really small congregations?

  i mean, i know the philosophy behind it; my mom would put a hat on to pray in front on my "unbelieving" dad.

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  "It is through his organization that God provides this light that the proverb says is the teaching or law of the mother. ...we must recognize not only Jehovah God as our Father but his organization as our mother." -- The Watchtower May 1, 1957, page 274

  "In this way Paul identifies Jehovah's wife as His invisible universal organization, the mother of Christ and of his joint heirs". - Watchtower of May 1, 1957, page 275