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Another named angel besides Michael and Gabriel?

by ianao in

could someone turn to revelation 9:11. i am always hearing of only two angels being named in the bible, but now i am seeing this one.

the text reads from mine:.

rev 9:11 - they have over them a king, the angel of the abyss.

RR

This is what the Watchtower says:

<Revelation, Its Grand Climax at Hand p.148.>
Rather than announce the incoming Kingdom of God, Christendom's clergy have chosen to remain with Satan's world. They want no part with the locust band and their King, concerning whom John now observes: "They have over them a king, the angel of the abyss. In Hebrew his name is Abaddon [meaning "Destruction"], but in Greek he has the name Apollyon [meaning "Destroyer"]." (Revelation 9:11) As "angel of the abyss" and "Destroyer," Jesus had truly released a plaguing woe on Christendom. But more is to follow!

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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hello

by claudia in

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hello everyone, i dont think anyone really remembers me, i was posting months ago, then i was without a computer, but i am back and love how this list has grown!

well maybe spectromeyes remembers me.

anyway,hello.

RR

Martini

What do you call it...when strong feelings for a person remain as powerful as the first day even after decades of separation?

Um ..... Love?

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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i once offered this to obed, and he did seem interested, however, because of my being a free thinker, it didn't go too well with the jw moderators on witnet.. i had propose a history forum, where the history of the watchtower society could be analyzed, their beliefs, and practices, how they evolved, why they believe as they did or do.

such a forum will enlighten many to the organization they either once called or currently call 'jehovah's visible organization.'.

"people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

RR

Okay, this is just off the top of my head, so excuse any errors:

1) False [Contrary to the popular, it is NOT true]

2) For the resurrected ancient worthies, who were to be kings over the earth.

3) What non-scriptural reason was printed in a 1960's Watchtower for refusing blood?

4) True, JW's are not a religion in Mexico

5) 1958 I believe, that was the year the sputnik was launched, "signs and wonders."

6) 1874, this date was accepted and promoted well into the 1930s, and changed to 1914 without cause and reason, it wasn't until the 1950s that a chronology was devised to explain the change.

7) True

8) Fred Franz

9) HA HA HA ... you're not serious are you? [false]

10) I knew this one, but it escapes me now

Bonus) ???

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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Reflection from the past...

by Scorpion in

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"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

of the generation that observed the beginning of the "last days" in 1914, jesus foretold: "this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."-matt.

RR

Okay, I didn't find the 1902 quote [yet] but I did fine this interesting bit from 1907, in regards the chronology:

But let us suppose a case far from our expectations: suppose that A.D. 1915 should pass with the world's affairs all serene and with evidence that the "very elect" had not all been "changed" and without the restoration of natural Israel to favor under the New Covenant. (Rom. 11:12,15.) What then? Would not that prove our chronology wrong? Yes, surely! And would not that prove a keen disappointment? Indeed it would! It would work irreparable wreck to the Parallel Dispensations and Israel's Double, and to the Jubilee calculations, and to the prophecy of the 2300 days of Daniel, and to the epoch called "Gentile Times," and to the 1260, 1290, and 1335 days, the latter of which marking the beginning of the "harvest" so well fulfilled its prediction, "Oh, the blessedness of him that waiteth and cometh unto the 1335 days!" None of these would be available longer. What a blow that would be! One of the strings of our "harp" would be quite broken! However, dear friends, our harp would still have all the other strings in tune and that is what no other aggregation of God's people on earth could boast. We could still worship a God so great and grand that none other could compare with him. We should still see the grandeur of his salvation in Christ Jesus--"a ransom for all." We should still see the wonders of "the hidden mystery," our fellowship with our Redeemer in "his death" and also "in his resurrection" to "glory, honor and immortality"--"the divine nature." If, therefore, dearly beloved, it should turn out that our chronology is all wrong, we may conclude that with it we have had much advantage everyway. If the attainment of our glorious hopes and present joys in the Lord should cost us such disappointment as our friends fear, we should rejoice and count it cheap! - The Watch Tower 1907, page 297

Notice the difference between Russell's attitude and the Society's.
It might not happen .... so don't be disappointed, however consider the thoughts of the Society about 1975, they kept pushing the friends to preach and preach, to forsake everything, and when 1975 came and went, what did they do? Blamed it on a few overzealous Witnesses.

Edited by - RR on 21 December 2000 22:16:44

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Watchtower History

by RR in

i once offered this to obed, and he did seem interested, however, because of my being a free thinker, it didn't go too well with the jw moderators on witnet.. i had propose a history forum, where the history of the watchtower society could be analyzed, their beliefs, and practices, how they evolved, why they believe as they did or do.

such a forum will enlighten many to the organization they either once called or currently call 'jehovah's visible organization.'.

"people in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

RR

I'd have to dig it up somewhere in my files, give me time, but don't hold your breathe ... lol

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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Another named angel besides Michael and Gabriel?

by ianao in

could someone turn to revelation 9:11. i am always hearing of only two angels being named in the bible, but now i am seeing this one.

the text reads from mine:.

rev 9:11 - they have over them a king, the angel of the abyss.

RR

"angel" does not always mean angelic being, epsecially when we're considering a book of symbols. Angels oftem means messenger, the name in Hebrew was Abaddon, and in the Greek was Apollyon. All
lexicographers agree that the meaning of this name is that of destroyer or exterminator.

The book of revelation from my studies, is a history of the Church,from penetcost to the present, unlike the Society's interpretation that the book of revelation is to be fulfilled in them, or about them.

So who or what is the angel mentioned? That depends on the interpretation. I believe that the Lord has had certain messengers through these past two thousands years of the Church's history, so this messenger could very well be a servant of God.

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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'Deaden your body members'

by Maxee in

i recently read a post on the net regarding how often men think about sex.

i started to think about how often i did.

i followed this up with a survey on antoher site and found i ranked low and they told me i had sexual problems.

RR

Larc

If Jesus could resurrect Lazarus (the man not the department store),...

There's a department store? Hmmmm

... then he could resurrect my "tiny" member.

Awww .. haven't you heard? Some say the resurrection has past 2 Timothy 2:18

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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Reflection from the past...

by Scorpion in

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"if you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things.

because all the evidence in fulfillment of bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years.

of the generation that observed the beginning of the "last days" in 1914, jesus foretold: "this generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur."-matt.

RR

Pathofthorns:

Can u explain what you just said in more detail?

Certainly .... The Chronology that the Jehovah's Witnesses use today IS NOT the chronology that C.T. Russell used to determine his dates. In fact they are two entirely different chronologies

The only date the two agreed on was 1914, however, Pastor Russell believed that "the Gentiles times" would end in 1914, and based upon end time prophecies, his mistake was believing that the 'signs' and 'events' leading up to armageddon would happen all within a timespan.

Let me try to explain in laymans term. Russell believed that the presence began in 1874 [there are at least five different ways to arrive at the date] and that teh gentile Times would end in 1914, a forty year period. He believed the presence would last forty years and end in 1914 with armageddon. Later he amended his thoughts as the world events seemed to show something differently, although he was dogmatic about the dates, he was not so dogmatic about the events [contrary to some]. The reason for the chnage from 1914 to 1915 is that in the Jewish calander, the first month is October, so the end would come betwen October 1914 and October 1915. Interestingly the WWI broke out in October 1914.

We have to keep in mind that although the Society uses certain phrases similiar to Russell, such as the "gentile times", they meant different things to both Russell and the Society. To Russell the gentile times had everything to do with Israel, while to the Society it had everything to do with the Society.

In answer to the Studies in the Scriptures Russell had all his books printed outside, there were no Society presses, normaly any changes he made, were made in The Watch Tower journal, and the brethren would note those chnages in their volumes. Often time in reprinting the volumes, Russell simply made a correction of thought in his forewords, leaving the rest of the book intact. This caused problems, because how many remember reading what the foreword says when you're half way through the book?

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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"fullness of the Gentiles"

by RR in

for i do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to israel until the fullness of the gentiles has come in.

- romans 11:25. .

i wonder how many of you having read the 11 chapter of romans, see that the jews have not been rejected of god forever.. seems to me from the above verse that they were blinded to the truth, and that this blindness is temporary ... until the fullness of the gentiles, the gentiles, of course being those who would make up the church class, the bride of christ, the 144,000.. what say ye?.

RR

Exactly Simon, I use to moderate another forum and things really got out of hand, you hate to censor people, but they leave you no other choice.

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"

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Judicial Defense ?

by thinker in

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it occurs to me that this forum has a vast resource of knowledge and experience.

i'd like to suggest we put our heads together and find possible defenses for active witnesses facing a judicial committee.

with frenchy's intimate knowledge of committee rules and rr's huge library, along with everyone's individual experience; we we should be able to build a logical defense (assuming logic is a useful tool to jw's).. from my own research, i have put together a logical defense for an active jw who wishes to associate with a da'd friend.

RR

I would agree that 'absence' is by far the best solution. I have not seen the inside of a kingdom hall in some eight years, and no one has ever bothered to contact us even though we have moved several times, my mother-in-law is still in the congergation and everyone knows her. So it wouldn't be hard for them to try and seek us out if they wanted to, I think that is the key word, they don't want too.

"People in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones"