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  Why are elders of the same mould

  by KAYTEE in

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  why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.

  i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.

  you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".

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  missinglink,

  Please supply scripture and verse.

  KT
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  As a JW Did you Feel you Could Fully Trust the Elders ?

  by flipper in

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  i know for many of the 44 years i was in the jw cult from birth - i felt i could.

  or should i say i was conditioned to feel that " i should " trust the elders.

  as jehovah's witnesses we were all told the elders were " crags in a waterless country " who would be a " spiritual stronghold " for us.

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  KAYTEE

  Ooops - a correction to my earlier post

  It should have read "Ad hominem" - (attack on the person argued against, instead of his argument.)

  KT
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  As a JW Did you Feel you Could Fully Trust the Elders ?

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know for many of the 44 years i was in the jw cult from birth - i felt i could.

  or should i say i was conditioned to feel that " i should " trust the elders.

  as jehovah's witnesses we were all told the elders were " crags in a waterless country " who would be a " spiritual stronghold " for us.

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  verystupid77,

  I know I’ve said this before but this is what they call "ad hominin

  In footballing terms kicking the player instead of the ball.

  I found the elders past masters at doing this, making YOU feel guilty when you were the innocent party to a situation, therefore the guilty one gets let off to carry on another day.

  KT
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  Why are elders of the same mould

  by KAYTEE in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.

  i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.

  you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".

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  wtwizard,

  First of all, let me ask you, How long have you been in the WTS.

  I, with great regret survived 30 years, accepting ALL that the society said, I was therefore a dedicated brother.

  Having done my fair share of knocking on doors, opening my home for the Tuesday group, allowing (because of large home and gardens) the use of my place for visiting C.O’s and other congregations.

  At times putting up with real abuse from the group, on one occasion when building a car park for the group, a sister slipped of the road in her car (no problem I pulled her out with my tractor, she said my house was disgusting (this was in front of her "elder" father who said nothing).

  Having sold my QUEEN ANN antique chairs because two bro’s abused the furniture sitting on one chair (I bit my tongue)

  Giving way on many issues that that had a great effect on my family as usual from the elders that had no basis of common sense AND NO CHRISTIAN ethics.

  Putting not only my own life on the line with no blood operation, but my son who was going to be made ward of court for a stand that we had made over the blood issue THAT WE ACCEPTED IN GOOD FAITH, THINKING THIS WAS EXPECTED OF US BY JEHOVAH.

  I can assure you there are many many more instances that I could give you but already this is too long.

  KT
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  Why are elders of the same mould

  by KAYTEE in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.

  i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.

  you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".

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  yesidid,

  Perhaps you could explain why they are still in a position of elder when they MUST be aware of all that happened in the past.

  Is it kind to give instruction on blood policies? When you know it has had many changes, especially as peoples lives are at stake.

  Is it kind to allow your child to associate with paedophiles (unbeknown to them and yourself).

  Is it kind to drag your child however young on the doors or to meetings when they should be getting their rest, also allowing them to have a proper childhood, even Paul was aware of a child’s needs .

  An individual elder may not do these things, but by his associating with a policy that is flawed, surely makes him an accomplice to whatever has happened, remember these are TEACHERS James 3 v 1 and then Lev 5v 1 would concern me if I was in that position. (In law an accomplice is as guilty as the one doing the act)

  To those elders that have stepped down or have left I respect them greatly

  KT
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  Why are elders of the same mould

  by KAYTEE in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.

  i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.

  you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".

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  Why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .

  I can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?

  I remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you won’t agree with the body of elders.

  You can see that the apostle Paul had a similar problem with the "Superfine Glorious ones".

  2or 12 v11.

  I have become unreasonable. You compelled me to for I ought to have been recommended by you For I did not prove to be INFERIOR to your SUPERFINE apostles in a single thing even if I am nothing.

  He puts them in their place when he says "even if I am nothing"

  He also shows that MAN APPOINTS.

  KT
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  What did you find upset elders the most ?

  by KAYTEE in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what i found that upset elders more than most things was, when you made them verify their statement with scriptural backing.. when you showed their complete lack of common sense coupled with lack of christian knowledge.. on one occasion when having a heated discussion, i constantly made them refer to the org.

  book for the answer, they ridiculed me, saying "are you getting your little green book out again".. all i was trying to point out was the answer (according to the society) on the subject at hand, most organisation will have some sort of code of conduct, the little green book was theirs.. they wanted to be right in all things even if it meant going against the org.. kt.

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  Good honest answers,

  It is very obvious that the elder arrangement is a complete failure, not just locally but world wide, they do more damage than good.

  Not only are they leading very nice people astray but seam to have no Christian conscience, but what is more disturbing is the fact that they are aware of all that HAS and IS going on in an organisation that they are prominent leaders of;

  Paedophilia, blood U – Turn,

  Failed prophecies,

  U.N. involvment

  They Are perpetuating a LIE, and according to James 3 v 1 will be answerable for their actions.

  KT
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  What did you find upset elders the most ?

  by KAYTEE in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what i found that upset elders more than most things was, when you made them verify their statement with scriptural backing.. when you showed their complete lack of common sense coupled with lack of christian knowledge.. on one occasion when having a heated discussion, i constantly made them refer to the org.

  book for the answer, they ridiculed me, saying "are you getting your little green book out again".. all i was trying to point out was the answer (according to the society) on the subject at hand, most organisation will have some sort of code of conduct, the little green book was theirs.. they wanted to be right in all things even if it meant going against the org.. kt.

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  Well done all, and so honestly put,

  Mary, great stuff………………I don’t know who Jimmy swaggart is ?

  KT
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  What did you find upset elders the most ?

  by KAYTEE in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what i found that upset elders more than most things was, when you made them verify their statement with scriptural backing.. when you showed their complete lack of common sense coupled with lack of christian knowledge.. on one occasion when having a heated discussion, i constantly made them refer to the org.

  book for the answer, they ridiculed me, saying "are you getting your little green book out again".. all i was trying to point out was the answer (according to the society) on the subject at hand, most organisation will have some sort of code of conduct, the little green book was theirs.. they wanted to be right in all things even if it meant going against the org.. kt.

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  Hello fokyc,

  You must have the same motley lot that I’ve had dealings with, you would think that they would get their act together wouldn’t you, or is that expecting too much.

  That’s the one big thing I miss having left them, that is to have a good row with them, it don’t do any good, but it makes you feel a lot better afterwards.

  KT
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  What did you find upset elders the most ?

  by KAYTEE in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  what i found that upset elders more than most things was, when you made them verify their statement with scriptural backing.. when you showed their complete lack of common sense coupled with lack of christian knowledge.. on one occasion when having a heated discussion, i constantly made them refer to the org.

  book for the answer, they ridiculed me, saying "are you getting your little green book out again".. all i was trying to point out was the answer (according to the society) on the subject at hand, most organisation will have some sort of code of conduct, the little green book was theirs.. they wanted to be right in all things even if it meant going against the org.. kt.

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  Quietlyleaving,

  How frightening for you, Aren't they a disgusting lot. (two witnesses !!!) these ones who are depraved make sure there are no witnesses to their disgraceful acts.

  They WILL have to give an account one day.

  KT