what i found that upset elders more than most things was, when you made them verify their statement with scriptural backing.. when you showed their complete lack of common sense coupled with lack of christian knowledge.. on one occasion when having a heated discussion, i constantly made them refer to the org.
book for the answer, they ridiculed me, saying "are you getting your little green book out again".. all i was trying to point out was the answer (according to the society) on the subject at hand, most organisation will have some sort of code of conduct, the little green book was theirs.. they wanted to be right in all things even if it meant going against the org.. kt.
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Mary,
It’s all the records the society keep on you, my wife and I asked for all information to be sent to us, and anything else destroyed, this was when we left the Org.
They charged us £20.00 for doing this the full amount at that time, with the amount leaving they could make a lot of money!!!!
It’s turned out lately that they may NOT be giving all documents back
KT
when a brother takes the office of eldership, does he have to give an oath of allegiance to the organisation, ...........if so what is it.
kt.
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When a brother takes the office of eldership, does he have to give an oath of allegiance to the organisation, ...........if so what is it
KT
why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.
i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.
you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".
confession,
"And you were fooled and manipulated, just like we were."
You are a 100% right there, I must say though I was not manipulated by ANY elder if by doing so it would make me compromise Jehovah’s law, or if common sense was not being used.
Read into my character and you may just arrive at the wrong conclusion, this is the trouble with chat forums, I would always prefer face to face contact.
The written word can sound cold and calculated when facial expressions are not seen.
I’m sorry but I have lived for many years on this earth, the best of them in the Org. (years that is) but I just did not get on with people that can dilute the "truth" and bring Jehovah down to the level that they do sometimes.
If I had found at the outset what I found out these recent years I would NEVER had joined this Org.
KT
why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.
i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.
you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".
missinglink,
Please supply scripture and verse.
KT
i know for many of the 44 years i was in the jw cult from birth - i felt i could.
or should i say i was conditioned to feel that " i should " trust the elders.
as jehovah's witnesses we were all told the elders were " crags in a waterless country " who would be a " spiritual stronghold " for us.
Ooops - a correction to my earlier post
It should have read "Ad hominem" - (attack on the person argued against, instead of his argument.)
KT
i know for many of the 44 years i was in the jw cult from birth - i felt i could.
or should i say i was conditioned to feel that " i should " trust the elders.
as jehovah's witnesses we were all told the elders were " crags in a waterless country " who would be a " spiritual stronghold " for us.
verystupid77,
In footballing terms kicking the player instead of the ball.
I found the elders past masters at doing this, making YOU feel guilty when you were the innocent party to a situation, therefore the guilty one gets let off to carry on another day.
KT
why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.
i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.
you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".
wtwizard,
First of all, let me ask you, How long have you been in the WTS.
I, with great regret survived 30 years, accepting ALL that the society said, I was therefore a dedicated brother.
Having done my fair share of knocking on doors, opening my home for the Tuesday group, allowing (because of large home and gardens) the use of my place for visiting C.O’s and other congregations.
At times putting up with real abuse from the group, on one occasion when building a car park for the group, a sister slipped of the road in her car (no problem I pulled her out with my tractor, she said my house was disgusting (this was in front of her "elder" father who said nothing).
Having sold my QUEEN ANN antique chairs because two bro’s abused the furniture sitting on one chair (I bit my tongue)
Giving way on many issues that that had a great effect on my family as usual from the elders that had no basis of common sense AND NO CHRISTIAN ethics.
Putting not only my own life on the line with no blood operation, but my son who was going to be made ward of court for a stand that we had made over the blood issue THAT WE ACCEPTED IN GOOD FAITH, THINKING THIS WAS EXPECTED OF US BY JEHOVAH.
I can assure you there are many many more instances that I could give you but already this is too long.
KT
why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.
i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.
you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".
yesidid,
Perhaps you could explain why they are still in a position of elder when they MUST be aware of all that happened in the past.
Is it kind to give instruction on blood policies? When you know it has had many changes, especially as peoples lives are at stake.
Is it kind to allow your child to associate with paedophiles (unbeknown to them and yourself).
Is it kind to drag your child however young on the doors or to meetings when they should be getting their rest, also allowing them to have a proper childhood, even Paul was aware of a child’s needs .
An individual elder may not do these things, but by his associating with a policy that is flawed, surely makes him an accomplice to whatever has happened, remember these are TEACHERS James 3 v 1 and then Lev 5v 1 would concern me if I was in that position. (In law an accomplice is as guilty as the one doing the act)
To those elders that have stepped down or have left I respect them greatly
KT
why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .. i can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?.
i remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you wont agree with the body of elders.. you can see that the apostle paul had a similar problem with the "superfine glorious ones".. 2or 12 v11.. i have become unreasonable.
you compelled me to for i ought to have been recommended by you for i did not prove to be inferior to your superfine apostles in a single thing even if i am nothing.. he puts them in their place when he says "even if i am nothing".
Why are elders of a similar mould, they all seam to have the same characteristics .
I can only think they make sure that appointed ones will knuckle down to their (elders) thinking.?
I remember on one occasion one elder said to me you will never be an elder because you won’t agree with the body of elders.
You can see that the apostle Paul had a similar problem with the "Superfine Glorious ones".
2or 12 v11.
I have become unreasonable. You compelled me to for I ought to have been recommended by you For I did not prove to be INFERIOR to your SUPERFINE apostles in a single thing even if I am nothing.
He puts them in their place when he says "even if I am nothing"
He also shows that MAN APPOINTS.
KT
what i found that upset elders more than most things was, when you made them verify their statement with scriptural backing.. when you showed their complete lack of common sense coupled with lack of christian knowledge.. on one occasion when having a heated discussion, i constantly made them refer to the org.
book for the answer, they ridiculed me, saying "are you getting your little green book out again".. all i was trying to point out was the answer (according to the society) on the subject at hand, most organisation will have some sort of code of conduct, the little green book was theirs.. they wanted to be right in all things even if it meant going against the org.. kt.
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Good honest answers,
It is very obvious that the elder arrangement is a complete failure, not just locally but world wide, they do more damage than good.
Not only are they leading very nice people astray but seam to have no Christian conscience, but what is more disturbing is the fact that they are aware of all that HAS and IS going on in an organisation that they are prominent leaders of;
Paedophilia, blood U – Turn,
Failed prophecies,
U.N. involvment
They Are perpetuating a LIE, and according to James 3 v 1 will be answerable for their actions.
KT
