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  Food Boxes given out by Society

  by JustChillin in

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  anyone else get a food box delivered by local congregation to your door - allegedly by the society?

  weird.

  i looked online and found a couple of youtube channels saying the society is taking food from food banks and giving it only to their congregations.

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  We must not be needy. No word of it in our area.
  
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  Food Distribution from the GB/Org???

  by JWTom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  heard from a close relationship that their congregation is handing out food to some and the message is that it is from the gb.

  this person is elderly but is not needy in any way and is very active/respected in the local cong.

  they would also never embellish or say something like this unless it was the actual message.

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  Heard from a close relationship that their congregation is handing out food to some and the message is that it is from the GB. This person is elderly but is not needy in any way and is very active/respected in the local cong. They would also never embellish or say something like this unless it was the actual message. Anyone else hear something like this?

  I have not heard anything through my local cong along these lines.
  
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  Latest move by Kingdom Hall Trust in U.K current J.W Elders BEWARE!

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest instructions from the kingdom hall trust here in the u.k are very revealing, and current j.w elders need to beware !

  i will get to that in a minute.

  maybe in the usa and other countries too ?.

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  No, Truthy, the point of the Clause in my post is that KHT has NO responsibility for overseeing or administering the safeguarding of Children, all responsibility falls upon the local Body of Elders. That is why I Posted. Elders, or the Body of Elders may be Sued, and will get no help financially from the KHT, which will say, " Sorry brothers, if we help you out with this, we will be admitting liability, and you took that liability upon yourselves, please see Clause 12, Goodbye".

  In the US business world, the local congregations are basically becoming franchises of JW.org similar to Subway, Burger King, McDonald's, Starbucks, etc. That is exactly what is being outlined in that letter. If the local brothers in the local JW.org franchise botch something in a really bad way.......the global JW.org is basically off of the hook since each congregation is their own entity.
  
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  Latest move by Kingdom Hall Trust in U.K current J.W Elders BEWARE!

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the latest instructions from the kingdom hall trust here in the u.k are very revealing, and current j.w elders need to beware !

  i will get to that in a minute.

  maybe in the usa and other countries too ?.

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  Further evidence that the JW.org is dumping all liability or responsibility on the local congregations primarily the elders and ministerial servants. Not long ago I had a discussion with a brother whose daughter left the org. due to an abuse situation and primarily the reason was that the local congregation had no idea how to handle the matter - of course it was a disaster. When I suggested to the brother that few or none of the local congregation members are qualified to handle an abuse situation - he agreed. But when I suggested that JW.org should have put some structures in place to handle this many years ago - he didn't disagree - but basically reverted to the "well, the org. can do so many good things with so few people and that these things happen". Or in other words, "its all good!"

  Many, many current JW's have issues with JW.org but they are simply trapped. Especially for appointed brothers...any disagreement or questioning of things will be punished severely. Most of these witnesses would like to disagree or voice their disapproval - but there is no platform to do that without being branded as an apostate.

  I agree with this thread - local elders need to be very careful on this. But most don't have the courage to embrace stepping down so that they are not in this position.
  
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  A question about the contemporary generation teaching following a conversation with a JW apologist

  by Giles Gray in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to ask the ex-jws on this site to put their ‘apologists hat’ back on for a moment, so that i can go through the overlapping generation teaching in an attempt to make sense of it.

  i apologise if these points have already been addressed on this site.a quick background for the reason for my request… having never confronted a jw apologist on the topic, i recently engaged with a jw regarding the official understanding of a ‘generation’ and unfortunately he didn’t have an answer to the points i was making.

  i was left a little confused as to what the official jw response would/should be.so i was hoping that my thoughts below might be considered from an apologist’s perspective.the point in question relates to this section of the watchtower article below from 2008, as well as the jw.org video explanation of the overlapping generation:---:w08 2/15[box on page 25] can we calculate the length of “this generation”?the word “generation” usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event.

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  Vidiot: Spot on. Most JWs are simply trapped and don't have a clear path to freedom that does not involve jacking up your whole life. That is the problem with being mortal beings, you many time won't live long enough for a do-over to make sense/work out.
  
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  Leaked WT Elder Training Video

  by Vanderhoven7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  https://youtu.be/2nacvosx8n0.

  good to see the caring brothers help establish depth of guilt..

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  As has been said, do not tell the body of elders anything unless you want your personal life ruined.
  
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  Do Jw's Dress up in meeting clothes for Zoom meetings?

  by jeremiah18:5-10 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am just curious if anyone knows whether the "friends" still are required to wear "meeting clothes" for attending meetings through zoom?

  such emphasis on dressing in a godly manner over the decades, would be interesting if some attend in pajamas or their work clothes, no makeup, etc....

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  As commented in another thread, 50-75% on our Zoom meetings never turn on video and many are even commenting with no video - problem solved. Everyone that has video on is dressed up including many brothers with suit coats on.
  
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  I wonder how many jw's will be doing this

  by newsheep in

  1. social
  2. current

  https://www.thrillist.com/news/nation/coors-light-clone-machine-zoom-video-calls.

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  Our Zoom meetings easily have 50-75% with no video. New thing is people that are commenting with no video on now.
  
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  Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

  by JWTom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

  nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

  over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

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  Interest comments all. Thanks for the great thoughts.

  BluesBrother: Can you send me a DM?
  
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  Weekly Meeting Importance Being Reduced - Your Thoughts?

  by JWTom in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am pimo, but now have 40+ years of being a jw as i was raised in a 3rd generation family of witnesses and continue to fake my way through things - fading as i can.. for the vast majority of my time as a jw, the meetings were the central focus for all jws to get teaching, association, information and so on.

  nothing was more important than being at the meetings!

  over the last 20 years starting with the elimination of the weekly book study in homes and continuing down to today - my opinion is that the value/purpose of the weekly meetings continues to be diluted or minimized.

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  Another thought, that has also been discussed recently in the light of Zoom Meetings during the pandemic.

  What will it take to make the transition away from meetings? Again, for 20+ years the meetings have been specifically made less important by the org. As Millie210 mentions, what you hear is that the meetings are very important - hard to rationalize the distinctly different messages/realities.

  To me it would seem like organizational suicide to stop the meetings....