Posts by JWTom

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Letter read cong is now an association

by Yomama in

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what does that mean?.

JWTom

What letter are we talking about? I did not see anything on this from Petra. Reference?

The JW Org has been doing many things to separate from the local congregations over the last 10-20 years and make them islands. Most Elders have no clue how much liability they have as individuals and that they could be sued for their decisions as Elders or as a Body of Elders. The Corporate JW Org is not going to come to the rescue when that happens. As has been discussed here in many threads....most Elders do not realize that they have been placed in a terrible situation by the Corp JW Org. If they do realize the awful situation they are in - they still do not have the courage to embrace reality and step down as Elders simply to protect themselves and their families from liability. Can you imagine as an Elder that has been a "good soldier" for Corp JW Org having to get an attorney and defend yourself in a lawsuit? The process and attorney fees could easily wreck your mental health, your finances and ruin your family.

PS: If you are an existing JW (as I am) and you have anything that comes up related to the Body of Elders such being accused of something, some bogus counsel where they are trying to control you or really almost anything that could impact your personal life.....first response should always be....."I need to discuss this with an attorney before having any discussions with the Elders." In the vast majority of cases whatever the issue is will be dropped like a hot potato due to legal liability.

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Congregation Letter - 2021 Magazines Delayed???

by JWTom in

we had a letter read in our cong.

last week that said the public wt and awake would be delayed during the beginning of 2021. meaning we would just use the 2020 version into 2021 and there would be no new ones at the beginning of 2021 until an undetermined time sometime during the 1st half of 2021. at least that is the gist that i remember.

it was in what atlantis provided but there was no further detail....very brief.. any more intel or speculation on this?

JWTom

I see that the January-February 2021 Meeting Workbooks have now been released since I posted this topic. Myself and I think many others had a thought that the Meeting Workbooks would be adjusted for 2021 given Covid-19 impacts continuing likely through the end of 2021 or even longer potentially.

The idea that JWs (like me) are continuing to sit in meetings and to talk about the door to door ministry while there is no door to door ministry is INSANE.

I think many R&F JWs were hopefully that 2021 would bring some acknowledgement of the pandemic, that we are no longer meeting in Kingdom Halls, that we are no longer doing traditional ministry and so on and so on.....

Even my strongly PIMI father has stated "if JW Org. continues to pretend that the pandemic has not happened....then they are going to start losing many people".

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Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

by JWTom in

this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

JWTom

Many, many interesting thoughts throughout the comments here. Sadly, I think the slow decline is most likely as many have suggested. My deep interest is to have something significant happen within my lifetime to minimize the influence of the organization on existing JWs which includes me and my extended family.

Likely just wishful thinking and the reality is that any JW with no good way to escape is stuck until death or until the org starts to more significantly fade away - which could be decades.

A financial shock or a global virus that kills off significant population are the only two things I could come up with that could possibly happen sometime soon.

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Collapse of JW Org - Possibly on the Horizon?

by JWTom in

this topics get a great deal of discussion here.

what i find interesting is even some of my pimi family is embracing the reality that all is not well with jw.org and that many current jws are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org.

wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of jw.org in the not distant future?

JWTom

This topics get a great deal of discussion here. What I find interesting is even some of my PIMI family is embracing the reality that all is not well with JW.org and that many current JWs are just going through the motions due to not having a good way out of the org. Wondering what could realistically lead to the collapse of JW.org in the not distant future? I find it hard to come up with anything that is a REAL, NEAR-TERM event or issue that could cause this. Seems like a slowly fading org. is more realistic. Interested to know if others have some solid thoughts in this area?

Financial Collapse: Could happen due to lawsuits and an ever diminishing amount of money coming in from R&F JWs. The older JWs that are the primary financial support are passing away and even younger PIMI JWs (myself included) have no interest in supporting JW.org in any large way.

Disease: I think this one is unlikely, but an extreme amount of death due to Covid within JW.org could lead to not enough R&F drones to keep things going. Potentially leading to the financial scenario.

That is it! Really hard to come up with any major thing that could cause this to happen.

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Congregation Letter - 2021 Magazines Delayed???

by JWTom in

we had a letter read in our cong.

last week that said the public wt and awake would be delayed during the beginning of 2021. meaning we would just use the 2020 version into 2021 and there would be no new ones at the beginning of 2021 until an undetermined time sometime during the 1st half of 2021. at least that is the gist that i remember.

it was in what atlantis provided but there was no further detail....very brief.. any more intel or speculation on this?

JWTom

We had a letter read in our cong. last week that said the public WT and Awake would be delayed during the beginning of 2021. Meaning we would just use the 2020 version into 2021 and there would be no new ones at the beginning of 2021 until an undetermined time sometime during the 1st half of 2021. At least that is the gist that I remember. It was in what Atlantis provided but there was no further detail....very brief.

Any more intel or speculation on this?

Also, no sign of 2021 Weekly Study content has been published yet....only about 6 weeks out from being in the new year.

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Is this idea of cameras in judicial hearing true? An

by Yomama in

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and no more minors in judicial hearing?.

JWTom

I think this is a misunderstanding as has been stated. I know of a minor that was in a judicial hearing recently...of course the minor was there with a parent.

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Many Jw’s Love to Speculate About the New System

by Davros in

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a comment on another thread cracked me up where the poster related what some elder said on the platform that: .

in the new system, we likely will not have genitals.” lol.

i’ve heard so much speculation from many jw’s on what will and won’t be allowed in the new system.

JWTom

Similar thoughts. I have always thought about how things are portrayed in "new system" images. All modern conveniences available, everyone looks straight out of 2020 with many modern conveniences including kiln dried lumber, modern pottery and many other construction/building conveniences.

When I talk to other JWs about this topic I tell them you need to think in terms of a house from the 1800s, animals for transportation and farming/raising livestock for food. Heating/cooking with wood. No air conditioning. On and on and on....

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The latest “special” campaign!

by DATA-DOG in

well, here ya go.... dd 🙄.

https://www.8newsnow.com/community/jehovahs-witnesses-begin-global-campaign-distribute-electronic-magazine-in-november/.

JWTom

There is nothing special about anything labeled "special" in JW land. Even many of the r and f ask why is something special.....when the content is a different version of the something presented every year with just some different language or spin on the topics.

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2020 Meeting Content/Schedule - Anyone know what is coming?

by JWTom in

hello all - no 2020 midweek meeting content has been published yet.

anyone know or hear of what will be changed for 2020 due to the pandemic?

even my pimi family (i am pimo) is scratching their heads wondering why we are still reviewing content from 2017-2019 that talk about all the future plans, field service, etc etc etc....that have all been derailed due to covid-19.

JWTom

Can someone have Atlantis share the printed version of the Jan/Feb Workbook to talk a look?

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2020 Meeting Content/Schedule - Anyone know what is coming?

by JWTom in

hello all - no 2020 midweek meeting content has been published yet.

anyone know or hear of what will be changed for 2020 due to the pandemic?

even my pimi family (i am pimo) is scratching their heads wondering why we are still reviewing content from 2017-2019 that talk about all the future plans, field service, etc etc etc....that have all been derailed due to covid-19.

JWTom

Hello All - No 2020 midweek meeting content has been published yet. Anyone know or hear of what will be changed for 2020 due to the pandemic? Even my PIMI family (i am PIMO) is scratching their heads wondering why we are still reviewing content from 2017-2019 that talk about all the future plans, field service, etc etc etc....that have all been derailed due to Covid-19.

I am hoping for a one a week meeting for everything to simplify the arrangement!