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  Examples please; How does the WTS 'bait and switch' after Baptism...?

  by The Song Remains The Same in

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  i was wondering if there is a list already on here that presents the key 'game changers' or 'bait and switch' points that will happen once you get baptised?

  this can include behavioral changes by the already members towards the newly baptised.. i've read somewhere about the 'love bombing' and how that stops, heard a bit about the time-in-service reporting, and that pressure to attend the meetings goes up (esp.

  if missing a few).

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  The baptismal questions are in the publications so anyone can see them.

  They are also in the Organisation book (p.215) and these are discussed with the baptism candidate once they are approved for immersion.

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  May 2013 Awake suggests screaming to thwart sexual assault

  by ParadiseCircus in

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  2. beliefs

  they just can't let it go.... .

  they also provide this tip to avoid being raped: "react quickly.

  scream.

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  @pistoff - This could be what you were thinking of. Sorry to everyone else who has already seen it.

  RAPE VICTIM IS GUILTY OF FORNICATION

  WT 64, Jan 15 p. 64 teaches if a woman doesn't scream she is guilty of fornication:
  “Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation."

  WT 68, Jun 1, confirms guiltiness by adding:
  “Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to ‘flee from fornication.’ (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case.”

  Aid to Bible Understanding ’ (1969) Acknowledges rape is not fornication - not guilty:
  “RAPE: Rape is defined as unlawful sexual intercourse without the woman’s consent, effected by force, duress, intimidation…” ( p. 1374 )
  “FORNICATION: Sex relations by mutual agreement between two persons not married to each other.” ( p. 601 )

  Awake! March 8, 1974, page 14. Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:

  “If she did not scream she would be as good as dead anyhow…Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshipped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned.”

  Awake! 80, July 8 p.5 - 6 New understanding that being raped renders you helpless - not guilty:
  “I never physically fought him off in anyway…I was overwhelmingly confused and defenceless against the whole suddenness.”
  “Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless.”

  WT 80 Oct 15, p.7, Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:
  “She told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before. She explained that if she did not she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation ."

  WT 83, Mar 15 p.30 - If raped, not guilty of fornication:

  “What do we understand here by ‘fornication’? The Greek word in this text is porneia…. A male or female who is forcibly raped would not be guilty of porneia.”
  
  Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 - If you don't fight back you are unforgivably guilty:

  “ But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection .”

  Awake! 84, Jun 8 p. 28 - If raped, not guilty of fornication :
  “For the victim to be considered guilty of fornication, there would need to be proof of willing consent.”

  Awake! 86, May 22 p. 23 - If you don't fight back you are guilty:
  “Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment... Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God”

  Awake! 89, Aug 22 p.24 - Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty :
  “It was then that I remembered the scripture in Deuteronomy chapter 22. It says that if a woman does not cry out when attacked, it indicates she is submitting to the man and is committing a sin against Jehovah.”

  w03 2/1 p. 31 - You may not be able to scream - Probably not guilty:

  "Therefore, a victim who was unable to scream but otherwise did all she could under the circumstances can leave matters in Jehovah’s hands."

  g13 May p.7 - Scream and fight, but you are not responsible for being assaulted - Not guilty:

  "Of course, the victim is not responsible for the sexual assault. The aggressor bears that responsibility. React Quickly. Scream. Escape or fight back using the element of surprise."
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  My Inbox Runneth Over: Is this My Memorial Invite from a Former Pioneer? LOL!

  by rubadubdub in

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  i am just laughing hysterically.

  when i saw i had an email from an active jw this morning, my first thought was, "oh, no here it comes!

  " i was expecting a memorial pitch.

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  It probably means her mailbox has been compromised and something is sending emails out to all of her contacts.

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  First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

  my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

  watch this space!.

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  The New Light tells us that the apostles were not part of the FDS. Do these scriptures tell us the Apostles were Faithful and Discreet Slaves (stewards), feeding the early Christian household?

  · Luk 22:28-29 "However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,

  · Eph 2:19 Certainly, therefore, YOU are no longer strangers and alien residents, but YOU are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God,

  · 1Pe 4:10 In proportion as each one has received a gift, use it in ministering to one another as fine stewards of God's undeserved kindness expressed in various ways.

  · 1Co 3:2 I fed YOU milk, not something to eat, for YOU were not yet strong enough.

  · 1Co 4:1-2 Let a man so appraise us as being subordinates of Christ and stewards of sacred secrets of God. Besides, in this case, what is looked for in stewards is for a man to be found faithful.

  · 2 Co 5:20 We are therefore ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us.

  · 1Pe 5:1-2 Therefore, to the older men among YOU I give this exhortation...: Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care, not under compulsion, but willingly; neither for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly;

  · Heb 5:13-14 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong.

  · Joh 21:15 He said to him: "Feed my lambs."

  Joh 21:16 He said to him: "Shepherd my little sheep."

  Joh 21:17 Jesus said to him: "Feed my little sheep.

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  Memorial Time March 26 After Sundown Same Date As Deadline For Appeal Child Molestation Case Agianst Watchtower Corporation (Synchonicity)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  well we can only speculate but i see something auspicious, and synchronistic about the whole thing.. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledactions.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  future scheduled actions.

  jane doe v. the watchtower bible and tract society of new york inc. et al.. division 3case number a136641.

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  Roll on tomorrow!

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  May 2013 Awake suggests screaming to thwart sexual assault

  by ParadiseCircus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they just can't let it go.... .

  they also provide this tip to avoid being raped: "react quickly.

  scream.

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  It refers the reader to Questions Young People Ask vol 1 p.228:

  'In fact, if you are a Christian, it is important that you speak to a congregation elder about what happened. The comforting words of a loving shepherd can assure you that as a victim of rape, you have not been defiled by someone else’s sin. That’s what Annette found. She says: "I talked to a close friend, and she urged me to speak with a couple of Christian elders in my congregation.

  I’m glad I did. They sat down with me on several occasions and told me exactly what I needed to hear—that what happened was not my fault. None of it was my fault." '

  'Natalie also found comfort in prayer. “Talking to God helped me,” she says.'

  'Rely on supportive friends who are like the elders described as being similar to “a hiding place from the wind and a place of concealment from the rainstorm.” '

  So there you have it. If you are assaulted tell the elders, your friends and Jehovah.

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  Shiver Me Timbers I Gots a Bible Study Matey!

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the new wt 2013 june tells kids that they might get to study with a pirate someday!

  perhaps johnny depp will be resurrected for just that purpose?.

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  Why have they hidden the main pirates cutlass?

  His hand is on the handle but then it becomes see-through like glass, making it hard to see.

  Why?

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  Shiver Me Timbers I Gots a Bible Study Matey!

  by RayPublisher in

  1. watchtower
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  the new wt 2013 june tells kids that they might get to study with a pirate someday!

  perhaps johnny depp will be resurrected for just that purpose?.

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  I see the pirate is making good progress in the study, the beard has gone.

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  New magazine cover from the religion that calls former believers "mentally diseased"....

  by cedars in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  apparently "prejudice" applies only to racial equality and has nothing to do with diverse sexual orientation or religious beliefs.

  it's news to me, but that's the only way i can explain this latest cover from the society.. http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/86/wp_e_20130601.pdf.

  cedars.

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  Blue collar work men - the salt of the earth and an aspiration for all.

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  Memorial Time March 26 After Sundown Same Date As Deadline For Appeal Child Molestation Case Agianst Watchtower Corporation (Synchonicity)

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  well we can only speculate but i see something auspicious, and synchronistic about the whole thing.. http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledactions.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

  future scheduled actions.

  jane doe v. the watchtower bible and tract society of new york inc. et al.. division 3case number a136641.

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  Somewhere in California a butterfly has flapped her wings...

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