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  Four Blood Moons might be significant

  by CharlieSmith1975 in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqzhnx7xma.

  the bible does say that the "day of jehovah" (armageddon) would be associated with the sun becoming dark followed by the moon turning to blood.

  but the moon turning to blood is specific to a total lunar eclipse.

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  Splash

  You should phrase it the same way as the WT does, you know, so if it happens you can say "See, you were warned!", but if it doesn't happen you can say "We never said it was definite!".

  Here's an example:
  

  KM 2014 03 p.2 Para 4. 'Will You Seize the Opportunity?'
  "Will this Memorial be our last? We do not know."

  Which is a rerun of the WT 1918 Mar 1st 'In Memory of our King'
  "Whether the coming Memorial will be the last on earth, we do not, of course, know"

  So if you don't know, why say it? It's hardly a loud warning to save peoples lives, and it's sitting on the fence, playing with words, because you actually have no idea yourself.
  

  One thing is true though. Keep saying that every month, every year "this will be it", and at some point you will be right.
  No-one will be listening by then, of course.
  
  
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  Four Blood Moons might be significant

  by CharlieSmith1975 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuqzhnx7xma.

  the bible does say that the "day of jehovah" (armageddon) would be associated with the sun becoming dark followed by the moon turning to blood.

  but the moon turning to blood is specific to a total lunar eclipse.

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  Splash

  CharlieSmith1975 PLUS, what I like about it is that it is an international sign.

  The lunar tetrad you are referring to will be visible from most of the US, certainly not internationally.

  CharlieSmith1975 These four eclipses are considered significant because the four eclipses fall on two primary Jewish holidays.

  Since the first century, eight tetrads have coincided with Jewish holidays.

  
  The problem with predicting things like this and them never coming true is that you discredit yourself and become the Boy who cried wolf!
  Then when you predict another, then another, they fail to be warnings because you have lost all credibility.

  They should call this "Watchtower Syndrome"
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  a parable has a fullfillment? and, is there now no faithful slave?

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  does a parable have a fulfillment?

  lol, i thought only prophesy had fulfillment.

  march 15 2015 wt.. after the previous articles and questions from the readers, where the writers try to explain that .

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  Splash

  The March 2015 WT is restating what it put in the July 2013 WT.

  The F&DS were chosen in 1919, but in accord with the Mt 24 account they will not be rewarded until later. There are two different 'appointings', one past and one future:
  

  (Matthew 24:45-47) “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! 47 Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings."

  
  

  What I find interesting are the multiple identities given to the 'slave' in this illustration:

  Verse 45 “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?" This is the 8 man (currently) Governing Body.

  Verse 46 - 47 "Happy is that slave if his master on coming finds him doing so! Truly I say to you, he will appoint him over all his belongings." This is all of the 144,000 anointed.

  Verse 48 “But if ever that evil slave says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying,. . .' ". This is a fictional slave that does not and will not exist.
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  A brazen falsehood in this week's Watchtower study! (week of Feb 9 - 15, 2015)

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  on page 13 of the december 15, 2014 watchtower (study edition), the first 2 sentences of paragraph 10 say:.

  "the symbolic separating of fish does not refer to the final judgment during the great tribulation.

  rather, it highlights what would happen during the last days of this wicked system.".

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  I pulled two elders over at the end of the meeting and showed them Mt 13:42 and 50.

  I asked them "what's the difference between these two verses?"

  As pointed out in the OP, the two verses say the same thing and are both on the same page when you read them.

  1st elder: They're the same.

  2nd elder: Yes, they're the same.

  Me: No, they are different. Vs 42 is after Armageddon, vs 50 is before it.

  Elder 2: Oh yes, that's right.

  (Exit Elder 1)
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  Magazine Routes March KM

  by Rattigan350 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  improving our skills in the ministrydeveloping a magazine route.

  what does delivering magazines have to do with skills in a ministry?.

  "many people who enjoy reading our magazines do not wish to study the bible with us.".

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  Splash

  Hardly a cutting edge suggestion.
  They were suggesting the exact same thing 45 years ago (or longer, probably)

  *** km 4/71 p. 4 par. 4 Presenting the Good News—That People May Be Free ***
  Do you have a magazine route? If not, and you would like to start one, you may wish to follow the example of a pioneer in California. His route helps him to average placement of 395 magazines a month. When householders take magazines, he says, “Would you like to have these magazines regularly? They are only 20c a month, and I will be glad to deliver them.” 

  
  
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  Fun with Gog and/of Magog!! What's really going on here???

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the topic of gog and magog, or gog of magog is pretty hot right now.

  gog....so hot right now...gog.... .

  as has been brought out by many, no one seems to know who gog is.

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  A timeline of the teaching on who Gog is:

  WHO IS GOG OF MAGOG?

  Russia - WT June 1880 p.107
  "Also the xxxix chapters of Ezek., after speaking of trouble with Gog - Russia - after their return, and dwelling in the mountains of Israel; gives the purpose for which it is all brought about; ..."

  A demon prince - WT 1932 June 15 p. 179 Para 7 "GOG AND MAGOG"
  The prophecy therefore seems to relate to the satanic organization of the earth, the chief part of which is Big Business, and also to other parts of that organization under the supervision of Gog, the prince of the Devil's organization

  A spirit ruler but not a demon prince - WT 10/01/53 Para 6
  Hence the suggestion of twenty years ago that Gog was an eighth demon prince is now seen to be without proof. However, that suggestion was leading us in the right direction for locating Gog, namely, in the spirit world and not in the visible earthly, human society. Therefore Gog still represents, not a visible human ruler or nation, such as Russia, but a spirit ruler.

  Satan - w54 12/1 p. 733 par. 22 Never Fighting Illegally or Quitting World-wide Preaching
  Jehovah is using us, his witnesses, therefore, by our fighting for freedom to preach world-wide, as bait for the Devil, named Gog in the book of Ezekiel.

  A coalition of nations - WT 2015 May Questions From Readers
  When we compare all these Scriptural references about the final attack on God’s people, it becomes evident that the name Gog of Magog refers, not to Satan, but to a coalition of nations..
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  Fun with Gog and/of Magog!! What's really going on here???

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the topic of gog and magog, or gog of magog is pretty hot right now.

  gog....so hot right now...gog.... .

  as has been brought out by many, no one seems to know who gog is.

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  DATA-DOG If anyone finds some older information on Gog, it would be interesting to read it. We could make a timeline of the WTBTS's "truth" about Gog.
  

  WT 1932 June 15 p. 179 "GOG AND MAGOG"
  Para 4 "A dogmatic statement as to what Gog and the land of Magog represent would hardly be proper."
  "Based upon the certain truths that are revealed by the Scriptures the following conclusion as to the meaning of Gog and Magog is here set forth, to wit: Gog is one of the princes in Satan's organization, invisible, of course, to human eyes, with a possibility of the power to materialize in human form."

  Para 6 "In Revelation 20: 7, 8 the distinction is made between Satan and Gog and Magog, which shows that the particular prophecy of Ezekiel, chapters thirty-eight and thirty-nine, is not directly applicable to Satan, but that it does specifically apply to one of Satan's chiefs, and those gathered under him in a division of Satan's organization."

  Para 7 "The prophecy therefore seems to relate to the satanic organization of the earth, the chief part of which is Big Business, and also to other parts of that organization under the supervision of Gog, the prince of the Devil's organization"

  Para 11 "since Gog is called "the chief prince" of Rosh, it is reasonable that Gog is the one that leads the fight at Armageddon, while Satan as the general sits in the rear and directs it"

  So the WT starts by saying "we can't say for sure", but the rest of the article is pretty certain, with Question 12 asking "How do Revelation 11: 12-14 and Ezekiel 38: 15 further confirm the identity of Gog and of the chief instrument in his visible army?'"
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  The tale of Angelo and Dan! Have you heard this one??

  by DATA-DOG in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  long story, short; angelo was bad, he went to prison.

  dan was bad, he went to prison too.

  dan became a dub and studied with angelo.

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  Splash

  Reminds me of a story of someone called "Peter" who was a criminal.
  In a five year period he killed 13 women, attempted to kill 7 more and was given 20 life sentences when he was finally caught.

  In prison he was repeatedly attacked by other inmates, even losing an eye in one stabbing incident.

  Eventually he gets to hear of the Truth, has a Bible study and finally becomes a baptised brother.
  Due to failing health he may not have long left, but this account proves the verse "that is what some of you were".

  At least the Society have another one they can proudly add to their yearly statistics - the Yorkshire Ripper.
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  40,000 new kingdom halls needed

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure where to post this, but the other day my jw mom says to me, 'the number is increasing they announced that we need 40,000 new kingdom halls'.

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  ok, who else has heard this, and how should i respond, other than to say well your cong is smaller now than it was 15 years ago..... where your growth?.

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  Splash

  Thanks InsidetheKH.

  I didn't have a figure so estimated 20%. Are you aware of a more accurate number from somewhere?

  On a side note I saw:
  *** w10 7/1 p. 25 Why Did Jesus Not Get Involved in Politics? ***
  "In the past decade, over 20,000 houses of worship, or Kingdom Halls, have been built."

  So if they were building 2,000 each year on average between 2000 and 2010, I wonder how many they are currently building each year. Maybe no more than in previous years.
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  40,000 new kingdom halls needed

  by sowhatnow in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  not sure where to post this, but the other day my jw mom says to me, 'the number is increasing they announced that we need 40,000 new kingdom halls'.

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  ok, who else has heard this, and how should i respond, other than to say well your cong is smaller now than it was 15 years ago..... where your growth?.

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  According to the 2014 Yearbook there are 114,000 congregations worldwide.
  There are fewer K.Halls than this because many congregations share a K.Hall.

  If we assume 20% share a hall that leaves us with 91,000 kingdom halls worldwide

  If a hall needs some remedial work every six or seven years this gives you 14,000 kingdom hall projects every year.

  All this maintenance work and no mention of any increase.