Posts by Splash

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Governing Body Sheep Fleecing - Official!

by The Searcher in

fellow witnesses - do you think the kingdom hall belongs to you, just because you all paid for it and personally finance its maintenance?

think again, sheep!

the "shepherds" have announced the fleecing in black & white for you, in case you decide to question them!.

Splash

In our last Local Needs there was some information about the new LDC arrangement, and a new statement that the GB want congregations to keep their KHalls for one year more than usual before a refit or new build, and this will save the society $80 million per year. That was the figure read out, I'm presuming from a BOE letter.

To facilitate this the congregation was encouraged to take more care of the KHall and make sure all rudimentary maintenance is carried out promptly (examples given were decoration, plumbing, electrics) by the local brothers.

Ties in with The Searcher's conclusion in the OP - It all belongs to the Society now.

This looks to be the result of the famous July 2013 WT changes when it was shown that the F&DS have not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings, meaning that the KHalls did not, in fact, belong to the GB as previously taught. As a result, maybe some congregations thought the KHalls now belonged to them. This latest WT has stamped on that idea!

What I wonder is, if a KHall or bethel is dedicated to Jehovah, who has the right to undedicate it and sell it?
When they say "Therefore, it cannot rightly be said to belong to any individual or congregation", why does this not also include "or any organisation"?

They are greedy and manipulative.

(Edit to add: I see Bobcat had the same thought!)

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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments

by Newly Enlightened in

thanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.

Splash

Tell them its only a picture of the front page, not the actual book.

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Where is it said , not to independently do deep study of scripture

by william draper in

i do believe it is written somewhere in jw literature .

Splash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSj9Yr2mXuc

0:50 - 1:15 AM3 is mocking churches for keeping asking for money, saying "we don't ever want to get like that"

2:50 - 2:55 "Jehovah's people are the thinkingest people on the planet"

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Anyone provide Samuel Herd link?

by The Searcher in

i'm looking for a link to where he actually lied on jw broadcasting about the bible students "not knowing exactly what was going to happen in 1914".. thanks for any help.

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Splash

DATA-DOG Isn't there a WT article about stating information in a way that is misleading?

Did you mean one of these?

*** jd chap. 9 p. 115 par. 9 Dealing With Others as God Desires ***
"When a Christian phrases things in such a way that he inwardly knows is leading brothers to a wrong conclusion, to believe something that is really not true, not accurate, how do you think God feels?"

"… really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?" Is This Life All There Is? p.46

"Jehovah's Witnesses are an organization of truth. We should want to speak the truth and be absolutely accurate in every detail at all times. This should be so not only as regards doctrine but also in our quotations. (Theocratic Ministry School Guidebook, p 110)"

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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments

by Newly Enlightened in

thanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.

Splash

Page 116 has this interesting directive on disfellowshipping that I was not aware of:

6. If members of the congregation are known to have undue association with disfellowshipped or disassociated relatives who are not in the household, elders should counsel and reason with those members of the congregation from the Scriptures.

If it is clear that a Christian is violating the spirit of the disfellowshipping decree in this regard and does not respond to counsel, it may be that he would not qualify for congregation privileges, which require one to be exemplary. He would not be dealt with judicially unless there is persistent spiritual association or he openly criticizes the disfellowshipping decision.

So you CAN associate with disfellowshipped relatives without fear of being DF'd yourself, so long as you don't discuss spiritual things!

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Faithful and Less-Bullshitting (Relax SR - we're in Canada) Slave

by berrygerry in

bobcat's recent post has led to this article in mar 15, 2015 wt, pp 7-11, par 9, 10:.

for many years, gods people found this approach to bible accounts faith strengthening.

why, then, have things changed?10 as we might expect, over the years jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet.

Splash

10 As we might expect, over the years Jehovah has helped “the faithful and discreet slave” to become steadily more discreet.

The discretion gets brighter and brighter.

What verse is that again?

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25 YEARS of compiled yearbook statistics

by 88JM in

jw
friends

hello again folks - as promised in my last thread here, i've been working on turning yearbook statistics into excel spreadsheets.. coincidentally, today is my 25th birthday (spare a thought for a fader).. i've now updated the spreadsheet with yearbook data all the way back to 1988 (the year i was born), therefore it now contains 25 years of statistics.. there were a lot of countries changing around and for some it was possible to create a continuation of data.

some are a simple change of name like south-west africa to namibia.

others, for example - in 1993 with czechoslovakia splitting into two countries (czech republic and slovakia) i have added an extra row that provides a continuation of the data, combining czech republic and slovakia back together as if they were still one country.

Splash

Since 2000 there have been 3.8 million baptised.

The increase since 2000 is 2.1 million.

What happened to the missing 1.7 million?

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Will this Memorial be our last?

by pixel in

they just put up the march km 2014 on the private website.

most of it is same-old-same-old, with info here and there about the memorial.. somebody here might post the march km for all to see, i wont.. i just wanted to share the paragraph from page 2 q&a anticle: will you seize the opportunity?

upcoming memorial enables us to show gratitude .

Splash

Still one day left before another failed 'suggestion'.

Maybe last years memorial wasn't going to be the last one after all, despite WT's crafty insinuations.

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In a nutshell, what is the wackiest jw thing?

by stuckinarut2 in

what is the wackiest...strangest....most unusual jw teaching or practice?

Splash

For me it's Rev 20:12 "and scrolls were opened".

Millions of JW's read this verse, then read the WT which says "These NEW scrolls..." so millions of JW's think the Bible says 'new' scrolls.

How can you read something so obviously simple, then instantly misunderstand it?
The context, the words, the meaning. It's so simple, yet they just can't see it. Blind, totally blind.

Also,

Jesus without a beard was nuts.
Pictures of a snake with legs (in Eden) was nuts.
Women being turned into men in the new system was barmy (g30 4/2 p.446)
The 8 flip-flops as to Mt 24:14 already being fulfilled is insane.
The 37 different interpretations of who the false apostles are (2Cor 11:13) is mind blowing.
That bobbed hair leads to baldness - g24 11/19 p.100.
That babies pacifiers (dummies) give them tonsilitis, and ultra violet rays are healing.
The 10 different definitions of the F&DS.

Then there was when they said that spirit mediums grew tentacles, and spirits lived among us wearing tweed and drinking whisky but were not able to bleed ("Talking with the Dead" p. 116-126).

Oh yeah, just remembered "overlapping generations"!

When will the madness end?

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I Should Have Just Kept Avoiding Their Videos

by OnTheWayOut in

i have a 2011 new year resolution to avoid reading jw literature or watch their videos.i am not "religious" about it, and will watch/read excerpts, but pretty much stick with that resolution as it only angers me when i read the stuff.. well, someone posted their video of philippines disaster relief due to a 2013 typhoon as a response to a news article to demonstrate that they are not really helping and that it is just propaganda.

i watched the video and was immediately able to see what the hell is wrong with jw's and their leadership and, as i figured- i was angered.. so i will post this link, but then go back to not watching/reading.

it just isn't worth it.. in the video, when they knew the storm was coming, the pre-planned disaster relief people texted elders to warn them to evacuate.

Splash

Even if some crazy person did throw out all their food in order to put books into a fridge, would you even feature that???

That says so much about the unbalanced view they seek to cultivate of WT vs lives.