To Blue Dot or Not to Blue Dot. That is the question ....

by Oubliette in

so i've been noticing recently that some khs in the area where i live (socal) are putting up the jw.org little blue dot, but others are not.

i would think this would be a mandatory directive from hq.

does anyone here have any intel on the matter?.

Splash

They have certainly changed their stance on this.
Not a surprise since they are changing their stance on most things.

*** km 9/74 p. 8 Question Box ***
Furthermore, we do not want to give others the impression that the Tetragrammaton is the symbol of Jehovah's witnesses as a whole. We have no organizational symbol to identify ourselves but show that we are Jehovah's Christian witnesses by living in harmony with God's will.

*** w00 1/1 p. 9 par. 15 Serving With the Watchman ***
For example, in the 1920's many Bible Students wore a pin featuring a cross-and-crown emblem, and they celebrated Christmas and other pagan holidays. However, for worship to be pure, all vestiges of idolatry must be discarded. God's Word, the Holy Bible, must be the sole basis of the Christian's faith and way of life.

*** km 4/09 p. 4 Question Box ***
Congregations or individuals should not use logos or names of the organization's legal entities, or variations thereof, on their Kingdom Halls, signs, letterhead, personal objects, and so forth...

The Watch Tower logo, or a variation of it, should not be used in future Kingdom Hall projects even if the Kingdom Hall is owned by a Watch Tower entity.

*** 2014 onwards:

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"Study" of the flip-flop beliefs of WTBTS.

by coalize in

as i can see regularly, when we ask a question q to the wtbts, the answer was :.

1910 : a.

and in 2015, the answer looks like : "in the past our publication said some things, but now twe know that the answer is : maybe a, maybe b, maybe c, maybe d, maybe a mix of them.

Splash

You might want to take a look at an older thread to see just how bad things have become.

There is hardly a single teaching that has not gone through the process you describe, and these changes are accelerating, not settling down. The WT truly have no idea about what to believe. You cannot build any faith on a foundation of constantly sifting sand.

TTATT in a can

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Free Bible research software

by paradisebeauty in

http://www.e-sword.net/.

wonderful free resource - i believe better than wt library :).

Splash

If you use e-sword then you just have to get this as well.

It's the NWT converted into a free eSword Bible module, so you can instantly compare it against the other versions available for e-Sword.

Download it from the link below, then put it into your 'eSword' directory where all your other .bblx files are.

When you next open eSword you will see the NWT listed at the top of the screen along with all the other versions. It's as simple as that.

Fully indexed etc, it's a great addition to the eSword modules.

Download Link

Make sure you only click the blue box labelled "click here to start download from sendspace"

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Will the resurrected marry/have children?

by davidmitchell in

i have just finished reading 'brock talon's' two books.

in one of them, entitled journey to god's house, pub.

he comments on how the wt's pictures of the post-armageddon world do not agree with their doctrines, namely that those who are physically resurrected will not marry/have children.

Splash

RESURRECTED ONES CAN MARRY?

Women may be turned into men - Golden Age 1930, April 2. P. 446 Bible Questions and Answers
Whether the identity of the sexes, as such, will be preserved, we do not know. There have been some well authenticated instances in which women have been transformed into men, and it is possible that this transformation may become general and we shall all be brothers together.

YES - 1943 "The Truth Shall Make You Free" p.362 - 364
[Evil ones] will not come forth [in the resurrection] to take part in the divine mandate [filing the earth], because that will have been completed by the Lord's "other sheep".

NO - w50 10/15 p. 381 "Be Fruitful, Multiply, Fill the Earth"
Nor will the resurrected multitudes be privileged to do so, for Jesus plainly stated that such will not marry nor be given in marriage

Even survivors won't marry - w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers
After that final test there will definitely be no marrying or being given in marriage then by those counted worthy of the new world and having the right to eternal life, just as angels have that right

YES - w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers
It is even reasonable and allowable to entertain the comforting thought that those of the other sheep who now die faithful will have an early resurrection and live during the time when the procreation mandate is being fulfilled and when paradise conditions are being spread earth-wide and that they will share in this divinely given service.

NO - w56 10/1 p. 601 par. 9 'He That Marries Not Does Better'
She died single, and that without the hope of enjoying married life in God's new world after she is resurrected from the dead.

NO - w61 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
for dead ones with spiritual, heavenly hopes and for dead ones with earthly Paradisaic hopes the rule enunciated by Jesus Christ stands unaltered: "In the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage"

NO - w67 10/15 p. 638 Questions From Readers
Jesus' words apply to the earthly resurrection, and they indicate that those resurrected will not marry or be reunited in a marriage relationship with former mates.

YES / MAYBE - w14 8/1 page 29+30, questions from readers
"Could Jesus be referring only to the heavenly resurrection?" "It is possible"

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Sir David Eady to give judgement on the Watctower Appeal in the Otuo v Morley and Watch Tower case at the High Court tommorrow

by Adwoa Kromo in

sir david eady sitting as high court judge will hand down judgement tomorrow at 11:00am in the appeal of the decision from master leslie for refusing to strike out the claim as an abuse of process.

in his judgement in november 2014 he stated in his judgement delivered ex-tempore " i am bound to say that this case causes me a good deal of trouble".

from notes that i have from the hearing last week, i will be utterly surprised if the retired judge sir david eady takes a different view.

Splash

If the coordinator is found to be guilty, he no longer fulfills the elder requirements to be free from accusation and to have a fine testimony from outsiders.

If he makes a second serious mistake in his eldership he would be especially culpable.
Imagine having a convicted slanderer in your BoE!!

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Geoffrey Jackson compares waiting for Armageddon to waiting for Brazil to score a goal against Argentina!

by GodZoo in

wtf!https://vid.me/8tuy

Splash

I notice GJ doesn't say WHICH world cup though. Just the one coming 'soon' I guess.

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Blondie's Comments You Won't Hear at the 06-28-2015 WT Study (TRUST JAH)

by blondie in

6-28-15 blondies comments trust in jehovah (4/15/15 study wt).

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/ .

so how does the wts start out in the first paragraph?.

Splash

"From your study of the Bible, you know how disfellowshipped ones are to be treated."

You know, but we aren't saying. You're not going to have this put in print!

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lapel card

by shadow in

anyone know where i can get a printable lapel card for 2015 usa convention?

or could someone upload image here?.

thanks!.

Splash

The last page of the program is very telling.
Which topic gets the most page space?
Clue: It's the only topic for which the Governing Body are especially thankful.

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"We Already Forgive Him" - What Does That Mean?

by cofty in

the children of one of yesterday's shooting have told the media that they have already forgiven the killer for what he did.. dylaan roof has not apologised for what he did.

he hates black people and probably regrets not killing even more.. what does it really mean to forgive?.

if the legal system asked the victims relatives what they want done next would they ask for dylaan to go free and unpunished?.

Splash

cofty My point is that the parent's claim to be forgiving is vacuous in scenario 2 and 3.

This is exactly the forgiveness that occurs in the Bible, in the example of how to be forgiving (of all places).

To set the scene, Jesus has just told Peter that he must forgive not 7 times, but 77 times. Immediately after saying this Jesus gives a parable to illustrate it in Matt 18:23 onwards.

He talks of a slave who owed his master a huge amount of money - 10,000 talents. The slave could never pay this back.
The slave begs for leniency and the master agrees, (Matthew 18:27) "Moved with pity at this, the master of that slave let him off and canceled his debt."

Now this same slave was owed a little money from a friend of his, also a slave. His friend could not pay it back yet and he too asks for leniency, but the first slave has his friend thrown into prison for the debt. This news gets back to the first slaves master.
(Matthew 18:32-34) "Then his master summoned him and said to him: ‘Wicked slave, I canceled all that debt for you when you pleaded with me. Should you not also have shown mercy to your fellow slave as I showed mercy to you?’ With that his master, provoked to wrath, handed him over to the jailers until he repaid all that he owed."

So are we to learn from this that forgiveness has unspoken conditions or can be undone? Once a sin is forgiven can it be unforgiven?

If you forgive someone but then proceed to punish them for it, can you really be said to be forgiving?

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Anthony Morris III life story

by campaign of hate in

am3rd life story is in may 15th 2015 study wt.. after reading, he sounds very mental unstable.

i know you guys will be saying "yeah, obviously he is"...but we don't have any concrete evidence saying he has a mental condition.. has anyone ever dug a little deeper, perhaps try to find some people who would have known him from the army?

i mean, he probably doesn't know that many people, he was only serving for a year for christs sake.

Splash

coh The part where he says in the article that his sons are in the truth, and they make me and my wife look good?

What does that imply about Jehovah then, who lost many of his angelic 'sons'.

Splash

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