Posts by Splash

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New World Translation Versions/Revisions

by PietaHouse in

hi folks.

new here, and growing weary of finding an e-text version of one of the earlier releases of the new world translation.

i have searched high and low, and for some reason, it is as if it does not exist.. i'm catholic, but for research purposes and as a courtesy to jws, i've put the 1984 and the 2013 versions in a database format for e-sword (e-sword.net).

Splash

eSword version of 1984 NWT on sendspace

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Wednesday Hearings LIVE LINK NOW

by Mad Sweeney in

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

Splash

When the woman questioned Ali she almost asked two great questions, but failed.

She should have asked

1. Is the most important reason for disfellowshipping to protect the victim or keep the congregation clean? (Shepherd book p. 38 only speaks of keeping the congregation clean)

2. By disfellowshipping the abuser, would this not prove that the procedures and holy spirit made a mistake when it recommended a practising abuser be appointed to a position of Ministerial Servant? How could that be allowed to happen?

I also wonder if they know about this clause on p.38 in the Shepherd book:
"If it comes to light or an appointed brother confesses that he has committed a disfellowshipping offense years in the past: The body of elders may determine he can continue to serve if the following is true: The immorality or other serious wrongdoing occurred more than a few years ago, and he is genuinely repentant, recognizing that he should have come forward immediately when he sinned. (Perhaps he has even confessed to his sin, seeking help with his guilty conscience.) He has been serving faithfully for many years, has evidence of God’s blessing, and has the respect of the congregation."

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New World Translation Versions/Revisions

by PietaHouse in

hi folks.

new here, and growing weary of finding an e-text version of one of the earlier releases of the new world translation.

i have searched high and low, and for some reason, it is as if it does not exist.. i'm catholic, but for research purposes and as a courtesy to jws, i've put the 1984 and the 2013 versions in a database format for e-sword (e-sword.net).

Splash

I also wish I could find that 2013 NWT torrent!

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Australian Royal Commission abuse hearings make the UK news . . again.

by nicolaou in

the daily telegraph is a well respected newspaper, probably not what most jw's would buy but certainly read by opinion formers and the so called 'chattering classes'.

hopefully the news will start to get more mainstream coverage soon.. daily telegraph news story.. i've not been able to catch up on day 3 yet but aside from all this negative publicity, which will inevitably fade in time, the precedents set must be very worrying for all appointed men and wt branches.

it's brown trousers time guys!.

Splash

That link is to the Australian Daily Telegraph.

The UK Daily Telegraph also ran a story though.

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Need Help! JW Grandmother (may be) Going to Court for Visitation

by Expanded-Mind in

jw
friends

i am hoping someone may be able to give me some guidance on behalf of my son.

my ex-wife, who remains a jw, is threatening to go to court to get visitation with our 5 year old grandchild.

she had regular visits with our grandchild, but when my son (no longer a jw) and his wife (never a jw) found out that his mother was teaching their daughter the jw religion without their permission and even telling our grandchild not to tell their parents... well to say the least, that was a game-changer.

Splash

Tell her that if she tries this and fails then she will never again get to see them.

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It's not persecution, it's accountability

by Splash in

well i was loathe to start a new thread on the australian royal commission, but i've been reading in thread after thread how jw's are trying to dismiss what's happening with "it's persecution".. if anyone says this to you, just respond "it's not persecution, it's accountability.

they are being called to explain their procedures, and nothing more.".

persecution is hostility against someones religion.this is not against the jw religion, it's against procedures that jw's champion as being 'the best in the world' when in reality, and with a little analysis are proving to be among the most harmful.

Splash

Well I was loathe to start a new thread on the Australian Royal Commission, but I've been reading in thread after thread how JW's are trying to dismiss what's happening with "It's persecution".

If anyone says this to you, just respond "It's not persecution, it's accountability. They are being called to explain their procedures, and nothing more."

Persecution is hostility against someones religion.
This is not against the JW religion, it's against procedures that JW's champion as being 'the best in the world' when in reality, and with a little analysis are proving to be among the most harmful. Even the elders and CO's being questioned agree with this.

If someone tells me it's persecution, I'll ask them if they think the abused children were treated more kindly by the JW procedures (being made to face their abusers etc) or if they were treated more kindly by the worlds procedures which saw their abusers put where they could no longer harm anyone.

I'll also ask if it is right that 1000+ known child abusers should escape punishment and remain hidden within the congregations.

It's not persecution, it's taking responsibility for choices they have proudly made.

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JW Reaction to Royal Commission Reports

by maksutov in

has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?

i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?

well, i don't know what the rules are over there.

Splash

If loyal JW's confront these truths it will make them physically sick.

This is why they stop up their ears and try to pretend that everything in JWland is good.

They will not be able to ignore it for much longer.

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Governing Body, painted in a corner, now what?

by Wasanelder Once in

the governing body have painted themselves in a corner, so to speak.

if they acknowledge their response to abuse claims was insensitive, unloving and inadequate they are denying the belief that "god's way" is best and risk losing abuse cases.

if they stick with it and say it is "god's way according to the bible" they will be seen as cult leaders and risk losing abuse cases.

Splash

I wonder if any elders are incriminating themselves in these sessions, and will be called to account legally.

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JW Reaction to Royal Commission Reports

by maksutov in

has anybody confronted any jws with the royal commission reports on the news yet?

i showed my 8-year old daughter a newspaper headline about it, and when she told my jw wife that the jws in australia were in trouble for not reporting over 1,000 child abusers to police, her response was "oh, really?

well, i don't know what the rules are over there.

Splash

disillusioned 2 I am in UK and as far as I know there has been nothing in the news or newspapers over here

It's been in the Telegraph, Mirror, Daily Mail, Guardian and on the BBC.

To not know about it you'd have to be like the elder interviewed today - someone who doesn't watch the news or listen to the radio.

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Extrapolation of the Australia child abuse numbers

by sir82 in

(let me know if anyone thinks my assumptions are way out of line, or if i've forgotten anything).

basic facts:.

the australian royal commission has 1000+ documented cases of child abuse over 65 years.

Splash

It was 1006 different abusers.

These are the ones which are known, of course.