Posts by Splash

24

Another Shocking clip From JW Australia Royal investigation Elder would not report MURDER

by Watchtower-Free in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfj1ecde5fy.

Splash

So many bad attitudes on this thread.

Don't you know you are speaking of divinely appointed glorious ones?

*** w98 6/1 p. 17 par. 10 “Put Up a Hard Fight for the Faith”! ***
It is all too easy to find fault with the appointed elders, for they are imperfect, as all of us are imperfect. But if we dwell on their faults and undermine respect for them, might we be “speaking abusively of glorious ones”?
[...] Those who persist in such negative talk could cause divisions in the congregation and perhaps even be likened to dangerous “rocks hidden below water” at gatherings of fellow believers. (Jude 12, 16, 19)
Never would we want to pose a spiritual danger to others. Rather, let each of us resolve to appreciate responsible men for their hard work and devotion to the flock of God.

28

"Report it to the elders if you hear anyone in the congregation talking bad about the GB"

by hardtobeme in

last night and elder gave the bible highlights at the congregation.

he talked about apostasy.

and among other things he said: "report to the elders if you hear anyone in the congregation talking bad about the governing body".

Splash

I wonder if they will need two witnesses.

7

Turns out they don't care about JW children either.............

by dubstepped in

so by now most of us have seen the clip of an elder getting owned by the attorney regarding why they don't seem to care for the children outside of the congregation by refusing to report suspected child abusers.

if not, here's a link:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qq9dqhb5dua&feature=youtu.be.

Splash

If an elder gets into trouble as a result of this Royal Commission, either because they have been appointed despite having previously abused children or because they mistreated an abused victim in a JC, maybe even DF'ing them, then the other congregations elders are also culpable.

How? Because they would have known about this other elder, his history, the JC abuse etc.

To stand by and knowingly let these things happen just because it's the easy option, demonstrates that elder to be complicit too.

How can any congregation BoE defend themselves if one of them turns out to be an appointed pedophile?

19

WT Financial strategy to reduce liability - Create artificial debt!!!!!!

by Viva la Vida in

jw
friends

see this letter from the royal commission: .

letter from watchtower australia to governing body regarding transfer of funds between branches.

http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/downloadfile.ashx?guid=61967dc3-2203-4cca-8dc7-cd612c66645e&type=exhibit&filename=wat.0012.001.0023&fileextension=pdf.

Splash

In this way we will keep our “turnover” below the threshold and so avoid
the difficulties and obligations that will otherwise apply if we come within the jurisdiction of
this Privacy Act.

They even put "turnover" in quotation marks! This is in their letter!

How knowingly deceptive.

7

Australian Royal Commission - What can the Governing Body do?

by Listener in

as far as i am aware, it's not within the power of the australian royal commission to call as a witness a non-australian.

it is confined to dealing with the jws and child abuse as it is handled within australia.

it is clear from the testimonies so far that it is the branch office that gives the elders direction as prescribed ultimately by the governing body.. there are two witnesses who have been called up to attend the rc from the branch office in sydney, one is rodney spinks from the service desk and the other is vincent o'toole, overseer of the legal department.

Splash

Geoffrey Jackson of the GB is Australian.

I wonder if he could be called over.

63

Nine Seconds that says it all. Have these elders any shame?

by Wasanelder Once in

what can i add?

this says it all.. elder on stand is mute till prompted.. .

i guess i could encourage you to watch to the end and a guest commentary, lol..

Splash

Room 215 The question that begs a reply is: When, if ever, will the commission hear from any of the Bethel higher-ups?

The last two witnesses who will be called are

Rodney Spinks - Member of the Service Dept. in WTBTS Australia, and
Vincent Toole - JW Solicitor and Head of Legal at WTBTS Australia.

20

How many of the 1.006 alleged abusers will be investigated by Police?

by Listener in

the commission has the names of 1,006 alleged abusers within australian congregations since 1950. some will have died and others will already have been prosecuted but the branch did not report any of these allegations to police.. the terms of reference for the royal commission is more about redress for the victims but that can include criminal prosecution although they are more focused on financial compensation.. however, now that they have the names of 1,006 potential criminals there is some responsibility to see that they are dealt with criminally.

it appears to be in their authority to have cases followed through by referring them for further investigation.

this is clear because the commissioner has recently reported that to date, they have done so in 493 cases identified within the scope of their commission.

Splash

If these elders are incriminating themselves I would like them to face prosecution.

Seeing fellow elders have to face court for following WT procedures would be the best way of removing the elder-base and prevent others looking for appointment.

20

How many of the 1.006 alleged abusers will be investigated by Police?

by Listener in

the commission has the names of 1,006 alleged abusers within australian congregations since 1950. some will have died and others will already have been prosecuted but the branch did not report any of these allegations to police.. the terms of reference for the royal commission is more about redress for the victims but that can include criminal prosecution although they are more focused on financial compensation.. however, now that they have the names of 1,006 potential criminals there is some responsibility to see that they are dealt with criminally.

it appears to be in their authority to have cases followed through by referring them for further investigation.

this is clear because the commissioner has recently reported that to date, they have done so in 493 cases identified within the scope of their commission.

Splash

smiddy If a substantial number of these 1006 victims could get together and file a class action law-suite against the WTB&TS / Elders , that would be very interesting.

It's not 1,006 victims, it's 1,006 different abusers.

In the case being featured in the Royal Commission this week, one abuser abused at least three victims.

2

Looking for some Easy ttatt ideas

by Crazyguy in

i was hoping to share maybe a scripture or two with my kids where they could see the obvious problems with the jw doctrine, any ideas?

Splash

The New Scrolls is pretty simple - Rev 20:12.

Point out a WT article that comments on these 'new' scrolls being the source of new instructions in the new system, then read Revelation to see it's actually referring to scrolls of judgement.

Ask them why WT consistently call them New scrolls when that term doesn't even exist in the verse.

27

Australia Evidence List is public and contains Elders Book

by Skidmarks in

there is so much information on the website of the hearing.

you can find the full transcripts of each day there as pdf.. but also the evidence list is very interresting.

it contains many confidential letters from congregations but also from the hq to branch offices.. the full list can be seen here: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.

Splash

An ex-JW ex-elder coming up onto the stand soon.

Wonder how many of the myths he'll blow apart!