Can disassociated ones get reinstated without proving repentance?

by maksutov in

one of the jw high-ups questioned by the australian royal commission (i think it was o'brien) stated that those who had disassociated (as opposed to being disfellowshipped) do not have to undergo a lengthy reinstatement procedure of proving repentance over many months, but can simply ask to be reinstated immediately.

is this true?

has anyone heard of this ever happening?.

Splash

You are said to DA yourself if you do any number of things, including taking a blood transfusion.

If it were as easy as O'Brien makes out, you could DA, take a blood transfusion, then get reinstated.

That would not be allowed to happen.

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The WTBTS has had insurance that possibly includes cover for Child Abuse since 1984

by Listener in

this is in a statement made by the australian branch committee member o'brien, the insurance is held by the wtbts pennsylvania.

no doubt the cost of that insurance would be astronomical the more claims they are making against it but it would greatly influence the way they deal with court cases and potential court cases, including settlement.

if they are covered for these claims then their concerns would be more about publicity than the amounts awarded or paid to the victim.. although o'brien states that the cover could possibly include any australian claims he would not have said so or even thought there was a need to reveal the information if the organization hadn't already made claims under their insurance.

Splash

I wonder if those contracts and policies were dependent upon the WT giving a full and free disclosure of the risks being insured against, and the known cases at each time the policies were negotiated.

I would not be surprised if the insurance companies were deceived by withholding information, and can find clauses to exempt themselves if need be.

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Angus Stewart - Captions Please

by cofty in

angus stewart's facial expression says what he thinks about rodney spink's prevarication.... .

.

Splash

Derrrrrr Dah!
Derrrrrr Dah!

DUN dun DUN dun DUN dun DUN dun .......

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Did you hear that!? His Honour is insisting that Jackson attend the Royal Commission

by umbertoecho in

i actually started clapping at that point, as his honour explained to the wt type creep sycophantic slithery lawyer that........" i understand that we all have issues to face in life and .....that is a part of life...........however it has become obvious that this man ....is in such a position to assist with this investigation.....".

it boils down to the fact that stewart outright accused the latest witness of misleading the royal commission and this lead to some document searches which led his honour to conclude that they had been protecting mr jackson.

this was a warm and fluffy moment folks.................brilliant stuff!!!!!

Splash

Putting GJ on the stand is the JW equivalent of questioning the pope!

I hope Angus realises this is a once in a lifetime chance that anyone will ever get to ask questions directly and publicly of a GB member!!

I have to say, if I want to see anyone asking the questions then it's Angus.

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Theocratic Warfare

by stuckinarut2 in

no doubt we noticed the royal commission ask vin toole (and i think terry o'brien) about the expression "theocratic warfare"?.

they were asked to explain it and what is meant to witnesses.. vin outrightly lied when he said he "had never heard of that expression!".

i remember him using that term in conversations and talks many times!!

Splash

I posted this in a different thread, but it fits better here.

IS IT OK TO BE DECEPTIVE?

YES - Watchtower Oct 1, 1954, par 21, 25
"No harm is practiced by withholding incriminating information from one who is not entitled to know."

YES - Watchtower May 1, 1957 Page 285 - 286.
"So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth."

YES - Watchtower June 1, 1960, pages 351-352
"We must tell the truth to one who is entitled to know, but if one is not so entitled we may be evasive."

YES - Insight On The Scriptures, Volume 2, 1988 pages 244-245.
"While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it"

YES - w07 2/1 p. 6 Why Be Truthful?
So while Jesus did not utter an untruth, he gave them an incomplete answer in order to limit the possible harm they could do to him or to his followers.

Theocratic warfare has long been a feature of the WT's dealings with worldly authorities.

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Mr Jackson declines to appear in RC

by StarTrekAngel in

http://www.jw-archive.org/post/125844213823/geoffrey-jackson-declines-to-appear-before#at_pco=cfd-1.0&at_ab=per-15&at_pos=0&at_tot=14&at_si=55c27690475c6bb3

Splash

After hearing witness after witness quoting a scripture to tell the Commission that JWs obey the superior authorities because that's what God commands, it would be an incredible own goal to demonstrate their contempt for their own rules by GJ not appearing after being told to do so.

It would call into question every statement they've made, and prove them to be untrustworthy, deceitful and self serving.

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Samuel Herd 3 min video - the most misogynistic words I ever heard from a "godly man"

by paradisebeauty in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=72&v=9vvqxf9uwu0.

Splash

I think Sam Herd is just reacting to his own life experience whereby every woman he ever met was more capable and mentally astute than he is.

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RC and comming legislation

by Bill Covert in

the rc put it to spinks that there is comming legislation comming out of these proceedings, of which mandatory reporting, to be worked out.

criminal charges for those in clergy positions failing to make the report.. in the post "contacted by royal commission today" "umbertoecho" stated that she was encouraged to seek compensation for damages.

mulling that post over in my mind i think the rc will legeslate a means that the victims of jehovah witnesses will be able to gain compensation from the watchtower much like the catholics.

Splash

There are cracks appearing in the ivory tower that can no longer be plastered over.

Watch out for a new Shepherd the Flock book for elders coming soon.
And by 'soon' I don't mean in the WT sense of the word, I mean in the true sense of the word.

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Governing Body member is in Australia right now!

by Anonymous1 in

sorry i have to remain completely anonymous about this but you will see why.

i have first hand knowledge that geoffrey jackson of the governing body is staying with his parents in toowoomba, queensland for the next few weeks.

he has already been in australia for a couple of weeks.

Splash

Richard_I "Just a Translator, nothing more"

Geoffrey is fulfilling prophecy.

(Zechariah 13:4, 5) “In that day each of the prophets will be ashamed of his vision when he prophesies; and they will not wear an official garment of hair in order to deceive. And he will say, ‘I am no prophet. I am a man cultivating the soil..."

The equivalent of claiming to be a simple farmer.

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Geoffrey Jackson's powerful role in the WT

by Splash in

if anyone knows which committees gj sits on or what some of his responsibilities are, can you please post here with supporting quotes.

Splash

Recently the Governing Body via both Lett and TM3 have used their TV station to vehemently deny all rumours about child abuse in the organisation. They have pointed to old magazine articles in their defense and claim any statement to the contrary is from Satan.

Over the decades Barbara Anderson has cataloged court settlements, and more recently victims have been reluctant to settle quietly, preferring to expose things in a court of law.

The GB are still in complete denial mode, even going so far in the latest WT's to say that JW's must not even listen to such things - in other words JW's have to deny it as well. To accept that there is a problem is to contradict the GB in their latest videos on the JW TV station.

Splash

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