Is it the door to a barbers shop?
"If any man enter in, he shall be shaved."
Posts by Splash
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6" I am the door " John 10:9 - Has anyone seen this before?
by Esse quam videri in' i am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
does anyone have information on this door?
it is a wood door with book-matched veneer.
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And now for something really controversial !
by jhine inok , the new james bond theme .
is it really a bond theme ?
i'm not sure , no mention of the film title , no nod to bond at all .
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I heard that Robbie Williams (ex Take That) wanted the role. -
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vent: Got into it this morning with my wife agian. younger son wants to go to a B-day, i said he could...she turned cult.
by goingthruthemotions inyep, he told her that he wants to go a friends b-day...keep in mind it's not until december.
well anyway i told her i didn't mind if he did and i would take him.
yep, enter cult mode.....i hate this freaking cult.
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Job 3:1 "...Job...began to call down evil upon his day (yome)"
Job 3:3 "Let the day (yome) perish on which I came to be born"'yome' is here referring to Job's birthday.
Job 1:4 "And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day (yome)"
On Job 1:4 Barnes commentary adds:
Perhaps it refers only to their birthdays; see Job_3:1, where the word “day” is used to denote a birthday. In early times the birthday was observed with great solemnity and rejoicing.Clarke commentary adds:
Feasted in their houses, every one his day - It is likely that a birthday festival is here intended. When the birthday of one arrived, he invited his brothers and sisters to feast with him; and each observed the same custom.This isn't concrete, but it's certainly a better argument than the WT's "the only examples of birthdays are bad", which is incorrect because it fails to mention Noahs' birthday in Gen 8:13 where something GOOD happened - the waters of the flood had drained away.
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OF DOGS AND BITES AND BIKES AND THINGS
by Terry inthe thought suddenly struck me plain and obvious: "these dogs won't stop until i'm good and bloody.".
there were two of them; a mixed breed of boxer and pit bull; clean, white--collared, tagged and--for some inexplicable reason, ferociously intent on tearing me to shreds!.
ah, but i'm getting ahead of myself.
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The pack, herding and hunting instincts vary from dog to dog, as do their defensive and protection instincts.
These things have been bred from wolves, so when an owner fails to train and raise them properly, they are potentially very dangerous.
I agree with the pepper spray too since this can be done from 3 feet away, not putting your hand near it's mouth.
Once you've sprayed it, kick it and run!
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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?
by Splash inthoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.
cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].
- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".
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notsurewheretogo The only thing I note is the WT says "some" of the other sheep became helpers...nowhere do they say ALL helpers are other sheep....unless I missed it.
w2015 10/15 p. 3
"SINCE 1992, the Governing Body has appointed experienced, mature Christian elders to help its committees carry out their work. These helpers, from among the “other sheep,” provide valuable support to the Governing Body."
If these helpers were NOT from the other sheep, they would essentially be part of the F&DS since they meet the criteria of "Small group of anointed Christians, living at Head Quarters, during Christ's presence, who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. "
But we know that the GB like to have tight control on who gets that accolade and glory, so the helpers must be Other Sheep.
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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?
by Splash inthoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.
cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].
- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".
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Redux:
- WT 2015 says that all GB helpers since 1992 are the other sheep
- All the current GB members were helpers during or after 1992
- Freddy Franz died in 1992 so unless you were anointed then, you are not an overlapper or "this generation"
- Therefore all current GB members were other sheep in 1992, and not "this generation"
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- Splane says in Sept 2015 broadcast that "All the current members of the Gov Body are of 'this generation' "
Conclusion:
It would really help the WT credibility if they were at least consistent in their made up explanations!
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WT opinion about anointed Christians
by Gorbatchov injesus said "look to the fruits" of real christians.. it is unbelievable that the wt says that new anointed christians are merely false.
how can humans decide who is anointed and who's not?.
how can the watchtower society say these unchristian statements?
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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?
by Splash inthoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.
cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].
- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".
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Tim3l0rd Therefore it has been decided to invite several helpers, mainly from among the great crowd, to share in the meetings of each of the Governing Body committees
Does this mean "mainly", or is it WT speak for "only"? I don't know.
That same article also says
*** w92 4/15 p. 31 Announcement ***
At the Brooklyn headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses, some “given ones” have served for a great many years. These include mature overseers from the great crowd who have gained a wealth of ability and experience. Thus, the Governing Body has selected a few of such overseers to assist in the meetings of the Governing Body’s committees.To me it's unclear and in contradiction to their very precise and clear later statement from w2015 10/15 p. 3
"SINCE 1992, the Governing Body has appointed experienced, mature Christian elders to help its committees carry out their work. These helpers, from among the “other sheep,” provide valuable support to the Governing Body." -
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Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?
by Splash inthoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.
cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].
- w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".
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Thoughts triggered from a comment Cappytan made on a different thread:
Cappytan The newest guy in the gang, Mark Sanderson, is no exception [to being a GB helper at some point]
- w2013 7/15 p.26 A New Member Of The Governing Body
"In September 2010, [Mark Sanderson] was invited to return to the United States, where he served as a helper to the Service Committee of the Governing Body."
So in 2010 Mark Sanderson was one of the "other sheep" and not anointed at that time.This excludes him from being one of "this generation" since he was not a partaker when F.Franz was alive, so could not be an overlapper.
If on the other hand Mark Sanderson DID partake prior to being a "helper", then by definition he should already (and automatically) have been classed as one of the F&DS by virtue of helping them reach decisions.
It seems more likely that he became anointed between 2010 and 2013 in order to qualify for his promotion.But hold on, does this apply to more on the GB than just Mark Sanderson?
As of 2015, EVERY member of the GB once served as "helpers" to the GB:
- w2014 7/15 p.17-22 Losing A Father - Finding A Father
In 1992, I [Gerrit Loesch] was appointed as a helper to the Service Committee of the Governing Body, and since July 1994, I have had the privilege of serving on the Governing Body.- w2006 3/15 p. 26 New Members Of The Governing Body
Brother [Geoffrey] Jackson was made a helper to the Teaching Committee of the Governing Body.
Brother [Antony] Morris worked in the Service Department at Patterson and later as a helper to the Service Committee of the Governing Body.- w2000 1/1 p. 29 New Members Of The Governing Body
Brother [Samuel] Herd has been working in the Service Department. He was also serving as a helper to the Service Committee.
[Stephen Lett] worked in the Service Department and was a helper to the Teaching Committee.
Brother [Guy] Pierce had been serving as a helper to the Personnel Committee. (Now deceased)
Since 1998, [David Splane] had been a helper to the Writing Committee.- w2013 7/15 p.26 A New Member Of The Governing Body
In September 2010, [Mark Sanderson] was invited to return to the United States, where he served as a helper to the Service Committee of the Governing Body.
So all of the GB were baptised but non-anointed at some point, none were anointed at their point of baptism or even before it. Why can we say this? Because the WT say all helpers are non-anointed:- w2015 10/15 p.3 Keep Holding Men Of That Sort Dear
These helpers, from among the "other sheep," provide valuable support to the Governing Body.- w10 6/15 p. 3 United in Love—Annual Meeting Report
Later, members of the other sheep class were appointed as helpers.- w06 2/15 p. 28 par. 11 Walking in the Path of Increasing Light
...in 1992 some of the "other sheep" received added service responsibilities. They were appointed as helpers to the Governing Body committees.- w95 7/1 p. 22 par. 9 Dwellers Together in a Restored "Land"
Now, oversight of most congregations, as well as circuits, districts, and branches, has of necessity been entrusted to the other sheep. In 1992 a few of these were given the privilege of attending meetings of committees of the Governing Body and serving as nonvoting helpers.
So which of these are excluded from being part of the overlapping generation?Freddy Franz died in 1992 which is the same year that the "helpers" arrangement came into being. My guess is that Freddy objected to it and they waited for him to die instead of try to overrule him.
Since EVERY member of the current GB were "helpers" at some point after 1992, and since "helpers" are from the Other Sheep, this means that NONE of the GB are overlappers, so none of them are part of "this generation"
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WT opinion about anointed Christians
by Gorbatchov injesus said "look to the fruits" of real christians.. it is unbelievable that the wt says that new anointed christians are merely false.
how can humans decide who is anointed and who's not?.
how can the watchtower society say these unchristian statements?
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Cappytan The newest guy in the gang, Mark Sanderson, is no exception.
- w2013 7/15 p.26 A New Member Of The Governing Body
"In September 2010, [Mark Sanderson] was invited to return to the United States, where he served as a helper to the Service Committee of the Governing Body."So in 2010 Mark Sanderson was one of the "other sheep" and not anointed at that time.This excludes him from being one of "this generation" since he was not a partaker when F.Franz was alive, so could not be an overlapper.If on the other hand Mark Sanderson DID partake prior to being a "helper", then by definition he should already (and automatically) have been classed as one of the F&DS by virtue of helping them reach decisions.It seems more likely that he became anointed between 2010 and 2013 in order to qualify for his promotion.Hang on, this needs a new thread....