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  Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.

  yesterday i went for the co's last talks.

  older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.

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  The WT standard practice is to find a scripture, any scripture, to back up their teachings.

  For child baptisms there is not a single one.

  But that's ok, because what the GB says is more important than what the Bible says.
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  Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.

  yesterday i went for the co's last talks.

  older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.

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  They use fear and threat to get parents to pressure their children into baptism, but they rarely remind the parents:

  *** w07 1/15 p. 20 Remaining Steadfast When a Child Rebels ***
  If your child is unrepentant and is a baptized Christian, he may receive the strongest form of discipline—being disfellowshipped from the congregation. The extent of contact that you will then have with him depends on his age and other circumstances.

  
  
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  Call For Children To Get Baptised From CO

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been pretty good at not going to meetings lately.

  yesterday i went for the co's last talks.

  older co. his last talk was absolutely shocking.

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  SUITABLE AGE FOR BAPTISM

  *** w06 4/1 pp. 27-28 par. 8 Meeting the Requirements for Christian Baptism ***
  Are children in a position to make an intelligent dedication? The Scriptures give no age requirements for baptism. Still, infants certainly could not become believers, exercise faith, or make a dedication to God. (Acts 8:12) Regarding first-century Christians, historian Augustus Neander states in his book General History of the Christian Religion and Church: “Baptism was administered at first only to adults, as men were accustomed to conceive baptism and faith as strictly connected.”

  *** w89 1/15 p. 13 par. 17 What Prevents You From Getting Baptized? ***
  Clearly, baptism is a serious step. Baptizing an infant is wrong because a baby cannot understand, make a decision, and become a disciple. (Matthew 28:19, 20) Those baptized during Philip's ministry in Samaria were "men and women," not mere infants. (Acts 8:4-8, 12) Baptism is for those old enough to learn, believe, and exercise faith. (John 17:3; Acts 5:14; 18:8; Hebrews 11:6) In this regard, historian Augustus Neander wrote: "Faith and baptism were always connected with one another; and thus it is in the highest degree probable . . . that the practice of infant baptism was unknown [in the first century C.E.]. . . . That it first became recognised as an apostolic tradition in the course of the third century, is evidence rather against than for the admission of its apostolic origin."—History of the Planting and Training of the Christian Church by the Apostles (New York, 1864), page 162.

  *** w76 9/15 p. 576 Questions From Readers ***
  But is the child able to make personal decisions, able to decide from his own mind and heart (not that of the parents) the course in life he wishes to take? Is he capable of comprehending and seeking a personal relationship with God, one that is not dependent upon his parents? Is he able to stand before a judicial body, accountable for any wrongdoing he may commit? If not, then such child is evidently not in position to be baptized

  w62 6/1 p. 330 par. 3 Why Be Baptized?
  it would be improper for infants to be baptized. One must know why he is baptized. Very young children would be lacking in understanding. It is true that Christ Jesus said: "Let the young children come to me." But there is no record that he baptized any young children or commanded that they be baptized.
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  " I am the door " John 10:9 - Has anyone seen this before?

  by Esse quam videri in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ' i am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

  does anyone have information on this door?

  it is a wood door with book-matched veneer.

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  Is it the door to a barbers shop?

  "If any man enter in, he shall be shaved."
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  And now for something really controversial !

  by jhine in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  ok , the new james bond theme .

  is it really a bond theme ?

  i'm not sure , no mention of the film title , no nod to bond at all .

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  I heard that Robbie Williams (ex Take That) wanted the role.
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  vent: Got into it this morning with my wife agian. younger son wants to go to a B-day, i said he could...she turned cult.

  by goingthruthemotions in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  yep, he told her that he wants to go a friends b-day...keep in mind it's not until december.

  well anyway i told her i didn't mind if he did and i would take him.

  yep, enter cult mode.....i hate this freaking cult.

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  Splash

  Job 3:1 "...Job...began to call down evil upon his day (yome)"
  Job 3:3 "Let the day (yome) perish on which I came to be born"

  'yome' is here referring to Job's birthday.

  Job 1:4 "And his sons went and held a banquet at the house of each one on his own day (yome)"

  On Job 1:4 Barnes commentary adds:
  Perhaps it refers only to their birthdays; see Job_3:1, where the word “day” is used to denote a birthday. In early times the birthday was observed with great solemnity and rejoicing.

  Clarke commentary adds:
  Feasted in their houses, every one his day - It is likely that a birthday festival is here intended. When the birthday of one arrived, he invited his brothers and sisters to feast with him; and each observed the same custom.

  This isn't concrete, but it's certainly a better argument than the WT's "the only examples of birthdays are bad", which is incorrect because it fails to mention Noahs' birthday in Gen 8:13 where something GOOD happened - the waters of the flood had drained away.
  
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  OF DOGS AND BITES AND BIKES AND THINGS

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  the thought suddenly struck me plain and obvious: "these dogs won't stop until i'm good and bloody.".

  there were two of them; a mixed breed of boxer and pit bull; clean, white--collared, tagged and--for some inexplicable reason, ferociously intent on tearing me to shreds!.

  ah, but i'm getting ahead of myself.

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  The pack, herding and hunting instincts vary from dog to dog, as do their defensive and protection instincts.

  These things have been bred from wolves, so when an owner fails to train and raise them properly, they are potentially very dangerous.

  I agree with the pepper spray too since this can be done from 3 feet away, not putting your hand near it's mouth.

  Once you've sprayed it, kick it and run!
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  Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

  cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

  - w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

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  notsurewheretogo The only thing I note is the WT says "some" of the other sheep became helpers...nowhere do they say ALL helpers are other sheep....unless I missed it.

  w2015 10/15 p. 3
  

  "SINCE 1992, the Governing Body has appointed experienced, mature Christian elders to help its committees carry out their work. These helpers, from among the “other sheep,” provide valuable support to the Governing Body."

  If these helpers were NOT from the other sheep, they would essentially be part of the F&DS since they meet the criteria of "Small group of anointed Christians, living at Head Quarters, during Christ's presence, who are directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. "

  But we know that the GB like to have tight control on who gets that accolade and glory, so the helpers must be Other Sheep.
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  Which current GB members are part of the "overlapping generation"?

  by Splash in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thoughts triggered from a comment cappytan made on a different thread:.

  cappytan the newest guy in the gang, mark sanderson, is no exception [to being a gb helper at some point].

  - w2013 7/15 p.26 a new member of the governing body"in september 2010, [mark sanderson] was invited to return to the united states, where he served as a helper to the service committee of the governing body.".

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  Redux:

  - WT 2015 says that all GB helpers since 1992 are the other sheep

  - All the current GB members were helpers during or after 1992

  - Freddy Franz died in 1992 so unless you were anointed then, you are not an overlapper or "this generation"

  - Therefore all current GB members were other sheep in 1992, and not "this generation"

  BUT

  - Splane says in Sept 2015 broadcast that "All the current members of the Gov Body are of 'this generation' "
  

  Conclusion:

  It would really help the WT credibility if they were at least consistent in their made up explanations!
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  WT opinion about anointed Christians

  by Gorbatchov in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jesus said "look to the fruits" of real christians.. it is unbelievable that the wt says that new anointed christians are merely false.

  how can humans decide who is anointed and who's not?.

  how can the watchtower society say these unchristian statements?

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  Splash

  I can't wait until there are over 144,000 current partakers.