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  Quote Re: Elders Whose Kids Go To College Might Lose Privileges

  by Justitia Themis in

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  i seem to remember some new 'rule' that elders whose children go to college, or perhaps it was out-of-state college, should be carefully examined to see if they still qualify.. does anyone know where that is in the publications?.

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  (Ac 26:24) Now as he was saying these things in his defense, Festus said in a loud voice: “You are going mad, Paul! Great learning is driving you into madness!”

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  New May Awake! Am I being unreasonable or does this sound crazy!?

  by toweragent in

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  my friends usually walked me home after dark.

  but one evening i was so tired that i decided to call a taxi.

  the driver didnt take me home.

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  pixel "This might be compared to what is known in navigational circles as "tacking." By maneuvering the sails the sailors can cause a ship to go from right to left, back and forth, but all the time making progress toward their destination in spite of contrary winds."

  That was from WT 12/1/81 p.27, but later they wrote:

  "...to run "not uncertainly" means that to every observer it should be very evident where the runner is heading. The Anchor Bible renders it "not on a zigzag course." Wt 8/1/92 p.17

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  I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

  by booker-t in

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  i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

  it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

  i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

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  There's one more element to this which we haven't picked up on yet.

  The famous Mt 24:45 verse says "Who really is the FDS...". This, we are informed, is a reference to the GB. The FDS is the GB alone, not the full number of anointed.

  Read on in vs 46: "Happy is 'that' slave if his master on arriving finds him doung so." We assume in this verse "that slave" is also referring to the same FDS/GB group, and not the full number of anointed.

  Last verse 47: "He will appoint him over all his belongings". Here we learn Jesus will appoint that slave.

  But note, verse 47 has suddenly changed to ALL anointed, not just the GB. ALL anointed are suddenly, in the space of 1 verse, included in the definition of the Slave!

  How can the FDS mean 8 men in NY in one verse, then in the very next verse mean 144,000 men and women?

  Don't forget that verse numbers were added later, this should read as a flowing narrative.

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  I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

  it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

  i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

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  Apognophos: One could say the same thing about Jesus! Why was he resurrected in 29CE and only made king in 1914?!

  Maybe because Jesus WAS approved.

  Maybe because Jesus had to fulfill prophecy?

  Maybe because he expected to sit at God's right hand?

  Dunno.

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  New May Awake! Am I being unreasonable or does this sound crazy!?

  by toweragent in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my friends usually walked me home after dark.

  but one evening i was so tired that i decided to call a taxi.

  the driver didnt take me home.

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  Bit more:

  HOW TO HANDLE BEING RAPED

  Awake! 80, July 8 p. 12 - Fight back if you think you should:
  “May she properly inflict damage on her assailant? Indeed she may…she may use any means at her disposal to resist intercourse.”

  Awake! 84, Feb 22 - Treat the rapist with respect and understanding:"Treat Him Respectfully – The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behaviour. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly as a fellow human.”

  Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 (Same magazine!!) - You must fight back or else it's an unforgivable sin:

  “But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection.”

  Awake! 86, May 22p. 23 - You must fight back:
  “Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment...Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God”

  Awake! 86, Sept 22 - Fight back if you think you should:
  "True, the woman has to respond according to her assessment of the danger to her life, and we believe that is covered in the advice given in the box on page 23 (May 22, 1986). It should be kept in mind that submitting to rape gives no guarantee that the victim will not be beaten or killed afterward. See the article “They Resisted Rapists” in our issue of February 22, 1984.—ED."
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  New May Awake! Am I being unreasonable or does this sound crazy!?

  by toweragent in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  my friends usually walked me home after dark.

  but one evening i was so tired that i decided to call a taxi.

  the driver didnt take me home.

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  Sorry to have to post this again, but it's flip-flop time:

  RAPE VICTIM IS GUILTY OF FORNICATION

  WT 64, Jan 15p. 64 teaches if a woman doesn't scream she is guilty of fornication:
  “Thusif a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation."

  WT 68, Jun 1,confirms guiltiness by adding:
  “Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill youif you did not submit?No,the Scriptures plainly state thatChristians are under obligation to ‘flee from fornication.’ (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of deathin this case.”

  Aid to Bible Understanding’ (1969) Acknowledges rape is not fornication - not guilty:
  “RAPE: Rape is defined as unlawful sexual intercourse without the woman’s consent, effected by force, duress, intimidation…”(p. 1374)
  “FORNICATION: Sex relations by mutual agreement between two persons not married to each other.”(p. 601)

  Awake! March 8, 1974, page 14. Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:

  “If she did not scream she would be as good as dead anyhow…Also, thatif she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that thenshe would be disfellowshippedor excommunicated from it and that this would beworse than being killed as far as she was concerned.”

  Awake! 80, July 8p.5 - 6 New understanding that being raped renders you helpless - not guilty:
  “I never physically fought him off in anyway…I was overwhelmingly confused and defenceless against the whole suddenness.”“Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless.”

  WT 80 Oct 15, p.7, Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty: “She told him that if he touched her she would screamas he had never heard anyone scream before. She explained that if she did not she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation."

  WT 83, Mar 15 p.30 - If raped, not guilty of fornication:

  “What do we understand here by ‘fornication’? The Greek word in this text is porneia…. A male or female who is forcibly raped would not be guilty of porneia.” Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 - If you don't fight back you are unforgivably guilty:

  “But if I gave in and he raped me, I wouldeventually die and have no hope of a resurrection.”

  Awake! 84, Jun 8p. 28 - If raped, not guilty of fornication: “For the victim to be considered guilty of fornication, there would need to be proof of willing consent.”

  Awake! 86, May 22p. 23 - If you don't fight back you are guilty:
  “Whyyoushould resist an attacker from the first moment...Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God”

  Awake! 89, Aug 22 p.24 - Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty :
  “It was then that I remembered the scripture in Deuteronomy chapter 22. It says thatif a woman does not cry out when attacked, it indicatesshe is submitting to the man and is committing a sin against Jehovah.”

  w03 2/1 p. 31 - You may not be able to scream - Not guilty.

  "Therefore, a victim who was unable to scream but otherwise did all she could under the circumstances can leave matters in Jehovah’s hands."

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  I am totally confoused who is the Faithful and Discreet Slave Class?

  by booker-t in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been hearing and reading on websites about some "new light" jws are saying concerning the faithful and discreet slave class.

  it sounds like the same information they have been saying for years.

  i was always taught the faithful and discreet slave class is the annoited governing body members dispensing food at the proper time for the non annoited jws.

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  Hi Data-Dog,

  I guess they could have been resurrected in 1919, but then they would be hanging around heaven with nothing to do for 100 years until they were approved by Jesus and appointed over all his things.

  But if they weren't approved in 1919 why would they be resurrected then in the first place...?

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  Quote Re: Elders Whose Kids Go To College Might Lose Privileges

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i seem to remember some new 'rule' that elders whose children go to college, or perhaps it was out-of-state college, should be carefully examined to see if they still qualify.. does anyone know where that is in the publications?.

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  Great question Justitia,

  I think Atlantis posted it some time back, but I'm afraid I'm not that tech savvy so can't send it to you.

  Hopefully someone else can assist?

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  Quote Re: Elders Whose Kids Go To College Might Lose Privileges

  by Justitia Themis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i seem to remember some new 'rule' that elders whose children go to college, or perhaps it was out-of-state college, should be carefully examined to see if they still qualify.. does anyone know where that is in the publications?.

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  BOE Letter 3/6/12a-E

  (page 1) Appointed men must be exemplary in heeding the warnings given by the faithful slave and its Governing Body when it comes to education. (Matt. 24:45-47) Would an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer continue to qualify to serve as such if he, his wife, or his children pursue higher education? Much depends on the circumstances and how he is viewed. When such a situation arises, the body of elders should consider the following questions and scriptures:

  (page 2) On the other hand, if an elder or a ministerial servant is promoting higher education to others for the material advantages or the status it may bring, he is calling into question his qualifications to serve the congregation because of the effect on his and his fellow appointed brothers’ freeness of speech. (1 Tim. 3:13; Titus 1:9) The body of elders may therefore determine that the brother no longer qualifies to serve."

  (page 2) In view of the foregoing, each elder should make the following notation next to the subheading “Situations That May Raise Questions About an Appointed Man’s Qualifications” before paragraph 15, chapter 3, in the Shepherding textbook: “See letter dated March 6, 2012, to all bodies of elders for direction on considering the qualifications of appointed men in connection with higher education.”

  You will not be suprised to learn that this has never been put into any public literature.

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  JWs as willing Human Shields for WT owned Kingdom Halls?

  by prologos in

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  this might only be a rumor at least 2 stages from source*:.

  bethel speaker at circuit, or one-day do:.

  "if asked, you should be ready to form a human chain between a mob and a kingdom hall.

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  @designs

  But the KHalls are insured by the Soc!!!

  They certainly don't want to be paying out for rebuilds.

  Wonder if there's a case for claiming personal injury against the Soc if you were harmed in the course of defending a KHall?

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