Posts by Splash

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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder

by RayPublisher in

is it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.

i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.

according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.

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Hi Eric.

Your JC was very powerful for me, thank you for posting it.

I am still in and can reconcile my awareness with what I hear on the platform. I mentally filter what I'm offered as food.

I respect the path you chose but it's not for me, at least not at the moment, and other visitors to here, your website and the other exJW sites are all at different stages in their journeys.

We all travel at our own speed but the WT has built itself on foundations of shifting sands so there is only one possible outcome. Will it be lots of tremors or a single great quake that undermines it altogether? Only time will tell.

Agape bro.

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EVE - not the only woman ?

by *lost* in

can you help verify or disprove the follwing please.. many thanks.

the bible does not say eve was the only woman does it ?

adam and eve may have been the first human couple created, but there is nothing to say that he didn't create moret than one man or more than one woman, does it ?

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Watched a tv documentary tracing the dispersion of the human race from antiquity.

One thing they mentioned is that mitochondrial dna indicates the entire worlds population has a common female ancestor.

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Jury duty as a JW, were you summons for Jury service.

by jam in

for over 12 years i have been summons for jury service.. each year i receive a summons and each year my physician.

send in my medical excuse.

don,t get me wrong, i would love.

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*** w97 4/1 p. 29 Questions From Readers ***

"The Bible does not mention jury duty, so he cannot say, ‘It is against my religion to serve on any jury.’ "

So what about Christmas, Mothers day, Fathers day, Easter, Fireworks night, smoking, gambling etc.

Given the w97 quote, can we legitimately say "It's against my religion"?

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May 2013 Awake suggests screaming to thwart sexual assault

by ParadiseCircus in

they just can't let it go.... .

they also provide this tip to avoid being raped: "react quickly.

scream.

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Balaamsass Obviously they are running out of material to print since they cut the mags in half.

Don't forget they halved the frequency as well - no longer a public WT/Awake! every two weeks, only one of each per month now.

So WT and Awake! used to each print 32 pages x 24 issues = 1536 pages per year for both.

Now there are 16 pages x 12 issues x 2 magazines = 384 pages per year.

Both the WT and Awake! have a front cover and inside front page which has the contents on, so four pages per month are not used for teaching. That's 48 pages per year.

Then between them there's a Watching the World page, a children's section with colouring or dot-to-dot, or a back page advert, let's say two pages per month - another 24 pages per year.

384 pages - 48 pages - 24 pages = 312 pages of public WT/Awake! info each year.

Works out to exactly 1 wide margined, large fonted page every day of the week except Sundays, for the year.

I think I've just worked out my new reading schedule.

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May 2013 Awake suggests screaming to thwart sexual assault

by ParadiseCircus in

they just can't let it go.... .

they also provide this tip to avoid being raped: "react quickly.

scream.

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steve2 Splash, while I have no brief to "defend" the organization, attitudes to rape have changed significantly in the plast few decades. Thus, you can dip into practically any religious literature from, say the 1950s and 1960s and find pretty damning advice on what females "should" do to prevent and/or reduce likelihood of rape.

Hi steve2,

I take your point about attitudes changing through time but you overlook some very important implications.

1. The quotes show that up until the 2000's the advice was to scream. The 2000's are not 'digging further back in time'.

2. The victim is told to scream, not for self defence, but so the woman is not guilty of fornication. This has less to do with protecting the person and more to do with following the Hebrew code for judging wrongdoing within the congregation.

3. What is written in the WT are not suggestions, they are instructions that must be adhered to at risk of punishment - strict isolation from friends and family at a time when you need support the most, having just been sexually assaulted or raped.

4. We have no way of knowing if these instructions are personal opinion or written by someone qualified to give this advice, based on solid evidence. The fact they change so often is a clue though.

5. If the WT is Gods Channel of Communication, the instructions should not change 10 times in 50 years (within one persons lifetime). That's a flip-flop every five years, how are you meant to keep up with what's most recent?

6. Most important of all: Looking at the last 50 years of enforcing the severest punishment for the mistaken and shifting opinions of unqualified men, what does this teach us about the dependability of what is written in the WT?

Lots of words to say what Jesus said in just seven: "By their fruits you will recognise them".

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First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

by cedars in

a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

watch this space!.

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@Rattigan350,

Except now the two classes of domestics are not the GB and remnant as per that 1980's article, but the modern two classes of domestics are the remnant and other sheep.

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Examples please; How does the WTS 'bait and switch' after Baptism...?

by The Song Remains The Same in

i was wondering if there is a list already on here that presents the key 'game changers' or 'bait and switch' points that will happen once you get baptised?

this can include behavioral changes by the already members towards the newly baptised.. i've read somewhere about the 'love bombing' and how that stops, heard a bit about the time-in-service reporting, and that pressure to attend the meetings goes up (esp.

if missing a few).

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The baptismal questions are in the publications so anyone can see them.

They are also in the Organisation book (p.215) and these are discussed with the baptism candidate once they are approved for immersion.

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May 2013 Awake suggests screaming to thwart sexual assault

by ParadiseCircus in

they just can't let it go.... .

they also provide this tip to avoid being raped: "react quickly.

scream.

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@pistoff - This could be what you were thinking of. Sorry to everyone else who has already seen it.

RAPE VICTIM IS GUILTY OF FORNICATION

WT 64, Jan 15 p. 64 teaches if a woman doesn't scream she is guilty of fornication:
“Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation."

WT 68, Jun 1, confirms guiltiness by adding:
“Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to ‘flee from fornication.’ (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case.”

Aid to Bible Understanding ’ (1969) Acknowledges rape is not fornication - not guilty:
“RAPE: Rape is defined as unlawful sexual intercourse without the woman’s consent, effected by force, duress, intimidation…” ( p. 1374 )
“FORNICATION: Sex relations by mutual agreement between two persons not married to each other.” ( p. 601 )

Awake! March 8, 1974, page 14. Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:

“If she did not scream she would be as good as dead anyhow…Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshipped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned.”

Awake! 80, July 8 p.5 - 6 New understanding that being raped renders you helpless - not guilty:
“I never physically fought him off in anyway…I was overwhelmingly confused and defenceless against the whole suddenness.”
“Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless.”

WT 80 Oct 15, p.7, Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty:
“She told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before. She explained that if she did not she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation ."

WT 83, Mar 15 p.30 - If raped, not guilty of fornication:

“What do we understand here by ‘fornication’? The Greek word in this text is porneia…. A male or female who is forcibly raped would not be guilty of porneia.”

Awake! 84, Feb 22 p. 25 - If you don't fight back you are unforgivably guilty:

“ But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection .”

Awake! 84, Jun 8 p. 28 - If raped, not guilty of fornication :
“For the victim to be considered guilty of fornication, there would need to be proof of willing consent.”

Awake! 86, May 22 p. 23 - If you don't fight back you are guilty:
“Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment... Your conscience will be clear. Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God”

Awake! 89, Aug 22 p.24 - Restates earlier belief, not screaming means you are guilty :
“It was then that I remembered the scripture in Deuteronomy chapter 22. It says that if a woman does not cry out when attacked, it indicates she is submitting to the man and is committing a sin against Jehovah.”

w03 2/1 p. 31 - You may not be able to scream - Probably not guilty:

"Therefore, a victim who was unable to scream but otherwise did all she could under the circumstances can leave matters in Jehovah’s hands."

g13 May p.7 - Scream and fight, but you are not responsible for being assaulted - Not guilty:

"Of course, the victim is not responsible for the sexual assault. The aggressor bears that responsibility. React Quickly. Scream. Escape or fight back using the element of surprise."

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My Inbox Runneth Over: Is this My Memorial Invite from a Former Pioneer? LOL!

by rubadubdub in

jw
friends

i am just laughing hysterically.

when i saw i had an email from an active jw this morning, my first thought was, "oh, no here it comes!

" i was expecting a memorial pitch.

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It probably means her mailbox has been compromised and something is sending emails out to all of her contacts.

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First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

by cedars in

a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

watch this space!.

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The New Light tells us that the apostles were not part of the FDS. Do these scriptures tell us the Apostles were Faithful and Discreet Slaves (stewards), feeding the early Christian household?

· Luk 22:28-29 "However, YOU are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials; and I make a covenant with YOU, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,

· Eph 2:19 Certainly, therefore, YOU are no longer strangers and alien residents, but YOU are fellow citizens of the holy ones and are members of the household of God,

· 1Pe 4:10 In proportion as each one has received a gift, use it in ministering to one another as fine stewards of God's undeserved kindness expressed in various ways.

· 1Co 3:2 I fed YOU milk, not something to eat, for YOU were not yet strong enough.

· 1Co 4:1-2 Let a man so appraise us as being subordinates of Christ and stewards of sacred secrets of God. Besides, in this case, what is looked for in stewards is for a man to be found faithful.

· 2 Co 5:20 We are therefore ambassadors substituting for Christ, as though God were making entreaty through us.

· 1Pe 5:1-2 Therefore, to the older men among YOU I give this exhortation...: Shepherd the flock of God in YOUR care, not under compulsion, but willingly; neither for love of dishonest gain, but eagerly;

· Heb 5:13-14 For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong.

· Joh 21:15 He said to him: "Feed my lambs."

Joh 21:16 He said to him: "Shepherd my little sheep."

Joh 21:17 Jesus said to him: "Feed my little sheep.

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