ok i think most of you at some point have come across the apologetic saying "wait on jehovah" from jws whenever an injustice occurs in the organization.
many have also used this expression to abandon evidence against the "truth".
this has easily become one of my biggest pet peeves now since speaking to others about ttatt.
This "wait on Jehovah" from psalms means to wait on Him for salvation, not for the thief brother to decide to give your money back or the pedo to confess all.
Quite simply it's a misapplication of a verse much like Pr 4:18's Light getting Brighter.
Read something out of context and you can make it say anything.
hello again folks - as promised in my last thread here, i've been working on turning yearbook statistics into excel spreadsheets.. coincidentally, today is my 25th birthday (spare a thought for a fader).. i've now updated the spreadsheet with yearbook data all the way back to 1988 (the year i was born), therefore it now contains 25 years of statistics.. there were a lot of countries changing around and for some it was possible to create a continuation of data.
some are a simple change of name like south-west africa to namibia.
others, for example - in 1993 with czechoslovakia splitting into two countries (czech republic and slovakia) i have added an extra row that provides a continuation of the data, combining czech republic and slovakia back together as if they were still one country.
Hi Pyramid,
The peak pubs + baptised should become next years peak pubs.
If next years peak pubs is lower, the difference is due to ppl dying or leaving (df, da, fade). This is the rough calculation I used for Leavers.
Another point to make is any red or blue figures indicate the figures have gone the wrong way, like partakers going up or memorial attendance going down.
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was just browsing this new issue and trying to make head and tail of what they are talking about, and noticed the final article tucked away on-line;.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20130715/watchtower-artwork/.
not sure if anyone commented, but it takes me back to the discussions on god's earthly org chart here.. this is what they have to say.... "how many times have you said that to yourself or to others when you opened a new issue of this magazine?
So Lars, who's face is it there in Jesus' left knee cap (the one on the right)?
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hello again folks - as promised in my last thread here, i've been working on turning yearbook statistics into excel spreadsheets.. coincidentally, today is my 25th birthday (spare a thought for a fader).. i've now updated the spreadsheet with yearbook data all the way back to 1988 (the year i was born), therefore it now contains 25 years of statistics.. there were a lot of countries changing around and for some it was possible to create a continuation of data.
some are a simple change of name like south-west africa to namibia.
others, for example - in 1993 with czechoslovakia splitting into two countries (czech republic and slovakia) i have added an extra row that provides a continuation of the data, combining czech republic and slovakia back together as if they were still one country.
This has become an excellent resource - many thanks 88JM for your hard work.
And some figures for slimboyfat:
Service Year | Peak Pubs | Increase | % over last year | Baptized | % over last yr | Memorial | Partakers | Congs | Lands | Leavers |
1960-61 | 965,169 | 48,837 | 5.330 | 63,070 | -8.63 | 1,553,909 | 13,284 | 21,557 | 185 | 14,233 |
1961-62 | 989,192 | 24,023 | 2.489 | 69,649 | 10.43 | 1,639,681 | 12,714 | 22,166 | 189 | 45,626 |
1962-63 | 1,040,836 | 51,644 | 5.221 | 62,798 | -9.84 | 1,693,752 | 12,292 | 22,761 | 198 | 11,154 |
1963-64 | 1,075,523 | 34,687 | 3.333 | 68,236 | 8.66 | 1,809,476 | 11,953 | 23,483 |
| 33,549 |
1964-65 | 1,109,806 | 34,283 | 3.188 | 64,393 | -5.63 | 1,933,089 | 11,550 | 24,158 | 201 | 30,110 |
1965-66 | 1,118,665 | 8,859 | 0.798 | 58,904 | -8.52 | 1,971,107 | 11,179 | 24,910 |
| 50,045 |
1966-67 | 1,160,604 | 41,939 | 3.749 | 74,981 | 27.29 | 2,195,612 | 10,981 | 25,206 |
| 33,042 |
1967-68 | 1,221,504 | 60,900 | 5.247 | 82,842 | 10.48 | 2,493,519 | 10,619 | 25,409 |
| 21,942 |
1968-69 | 1,336,112 | 114,608 | 9.383 | 120,905 | 45.95 | 2,719,860 | 10,368 | 25,694 |
| 6,297 |
1969-70 | 1,483,430 | 147,318 | 11.026 | 164,193 | 35.80 | 3,226,168 | 10,526 | 26,524 | 208 | 16,875 |
1970-71 | 1,590,793 | 107,363 | 7.237 | 149,808 | -8.76 | 3,453,542 | 10,384 | 27,154 |
| 42,445 |
1971-72 | 1,658,990 | 68,197 | 4.287 | 163,123 | 8.89 | 3,662,407 | 10,350 | 28,407 |
| 94,926 |
1972-73 | 1,758,429 | 99,439 | 5.994 | 193,990 | 18.92 | 3,994,924 | 10,523 | 31,850 |
| 94,551 |
1973-74 | 2,021,432 | 263,003 | 14.957 | 297,872 | 53.55 | 4,550,457 | 10,723 | 34,576 |
| 34,869 |
1974-75 | 2,179,256 | 157,824 | 7.808 | 295,073 | -0.94 | 4,925,643 | 10,550 | 38,256 | 212 | 137,249 |
1975-76 | 2,248,390 | 69,134 | 3.172 | 196,656 | -33.35 | 4,972,571 | 10,187 | 40,155 |
| 127,522 |
1976-77 | 2,223,538 | -24,852 | -1.105 | 124,459 | -36.71 | 5,107,518 | 10,080 | 41,635 |
| 149,311 |
1977-78 | 2,182,341 | -41,197 | -1.853 | 95,052 | -23.63 | 5,095,831 | 9,762 | 42,255 |
| 136,249 |
1978-79 | 2,186,075 | 3,734 | 0.171 | 113,672 | 19.59 | 5,323,766 | 9,727 | 42,600 |
| 109,938 |
1979-80 | 2,272,278 | 86,203 | 3.943 | 113,779 | 0.09 | 5,726,656 | 9,564 | 43,181 | 217 | 27,576 |
1980-81 | 2,361,896 | 89,618 | 3.944 | 119,836 | 5.32 | 5,987,893 | 9,601 | 43,870 |
| 30,218 |
1981-82 | 2,477,608 | 115,712 | 4.899 | 138,540 | 15.61 | 6,252,787 | 9,529 | 44,953 |
| 22,828 |
1982-83 | 2,652,323 | 174,715 | 7.052 | 161,896 | 16.86 | 6,767,707 | 9,292 | 46,235 |
| -12,819 |
1983-84 | 2,842,531 | 190,208 | 7.171 | 179,421 | 10.82 | 7,416,974 | 9,081 | 47,869 |
| -10,787 |
1984-85 | 3,024,131 | 181,600 | 6.389 | 189,800 | 5.78 | 7,792,109 | 9,051 | 49,716 | 222 | 8,200 |
1985-86 | 3,229,022 | 204,891 | 6.775 | 225,868 | 19.00 | 8,160,597 | 8,927 | 52,177 |
| 20,977 |
1986-87 | 3,395,612 | 166,590 | 5.159 | 230,843 | 2.20 | 8,965,221 | 8,808 | 54,911 |
| 64,253 |
1987-88 | 3,592,654 | 197,042 | 5.803 | 239,268 | 3.65 | 9,201,071 | 8,685 | 57,670 |
| 42,226 |
1988-89 | 3,787,188 | 194,534 | 5.415 | 263,855 | 10.28 | 9,479,064 | 8,734 | 60,192 |
| 69,321 |
1989-90 | 4,017,213 | 230,025 | 6.074 | 301,518 | 14.27 | 9,950,058 | 8,869 | 63,016 |
| 71,493 |
1990-91 | 4,278,820 | 261,607 | 6.512 | 300,945 | -0.19 | 10,650,158 | 8,850 | 66,207 | 211 | 39,338 |
1991-92 | 4,472,787 | 193,967 | 4.533 | 301,002 | 0.02 | 11,431,171 | 8,683 | 69,558 | 229 | 107,035 |
1992-93 | 4,709,889 | 237,102 | 5.301 | 296,004 | -1.66 | 11,865,765 | 8,693 | 73,070 | 231 | 58,902 |
1993-94 | 4,914,094 | 204,205 | 4.336 | 314,818 | 6.36 | 12,288,917 | 8,617 | 75,573 | 232 | 110,613 |
1994-95 | 5,199,895 | 285,801 | 5.816 | 338,491 | 7.52 | 13,147,201 | 8,645 | 78,620 | 232 | 52,690 |
1995-96 | 5,413,769 | 213,874 | 4.113 | 366,579 | 8.30 | 12,921,933 | 8,757 | 81,908 | 233 | 152,705 |
1996-97 | 5,599,931 | 186,162 | 3.439 | 375,923 | 2.55 | 14,322,226 | 8,795 | 85,256 | 233 | 189,761 |
1997-98 | 5,888,650 | 288,719 | 5.156 | 316,092 | -15.92 | 13,896,312 | 8,756 | 87,644 | 233 | 27,373 |
1998-99 | 5,912,492 | 23,842 | 0.405 | 323,439 | 2.32 | 14,088,751 | 8,755 | 89,985 | 234 | 299,597 |
1999-00 | 6,035,564 | 123,072 | 2.082 | 288,907 | -10.68 | 14,872,086 | 8,661 | 91,487 | 235 | 165,835 |
2000-01 | 6,117,666 | 82,102 | 1.360 | 263,431 | -8.82 | 15,374,986 | 8,730 | 93,154 | 235 | 181,329 |
2001-02 | 6,304,645 | 186,979 | 3.056 | 265,469 | 0.77 | 15,597,746 | 8,760 | 94,600 | 234 | 78,490 |
2002-03 | 6,429,351 | 124,706 | 1.978 | 258,845 | -2.50 | 16,097,622 | 8,565 | 95,919 | 235 | 134,139 |
2003-04 | 6,513,132 | 83,781 | 1.303 | 262,416 | 1.38 | 16,760,607 | 8,570 | 96,894 | 235 | 178,635 |
2004-05 | 6,613,829 | 100,697 | 1.546 | 247,631 | -5.63 | 16,383,333 | 8,524 | 98,269 | 235 | 146,934 |
2005-06 | 6,741,444 | 127,615 | 1.930 | 248,327 | 0.28 | 16,675,113 | 8,758 | 99,770 | 236 | 120,712 |
2006-07 | 6,957,854 | 216,410 | 3.210 | 298,304 | 20.13 | 17,672,443 | 9,105 | 101,376 | 236 | 81,894 |
2007-08 | 7,124,443 | 166,589 | 2.394 | 289,678 | -2.89 | 17,790,631 | 9,986 | 103,267 | 236 | 123,089 |
2008-09 | 7,313,173 | 188,730 | 2.649 | 276,233 | -4.64 | 18,168,323 | 10,857 | 105,298 | 236 | 87,503 |
2009-10 | 7,508,050 | 194,877 | 2.665 | 294,368 | 6.57 | 18,706,895 | 11,202 | 107,000 | 236 | 99,491 |
2010-11 | 7,659,019 | 150,969 | 2.011 | 263,131 | -10.61 | 19,374,737 | 11,824 | 109,403 | 236 | 112,162 |
2011-12 | 7,782,346 | 123,327 | 1.610 | 268,777 | 2.15 | 19,013,343 | 12,604 | 111,719 | 239 | 145,450 |
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dear brothers and sisters,.
i martini, will confide in you that i have become a neutral jehovah's witness.
i wonder if i'm not coining a new phrase here!.
For me, an active appointed brother, I come here to ask the questions that I'm not allowed to ask at the K.Hall.
Like the original poster on this thread, I know that the WT has not got everything right (something they admit themselves by keeping releasing revised teachings) and I'm working out what Jesus must think about this.
Stick around, ask questions, make friends, learn to open your mind and think things through properly.
Nice to have you here!
Splash.
i am genuinely in the dark on this one; .
can someone with experience of this explain to me what a "scriptural divorce" is?
i have always believed what christ said was the only basis for divorce.
You can have an unscriptural divorce, but then remarrying will make you guilty of adultery.
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That's funny Lou Belle!!
The WT Library only goes back to 1950, but even at that time your little phrase appears:
w50 3/1 Uniting Our Praises Universally
Q.7. So, with limited time available, what is it needful to do?
And you can guess what paragraph 7 was talking about:
" set aside some time for the giving of praise to God "
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*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par.
3 they keep following the lamb ***.
he has also appointed the slave over all his belongings.
If the Great Crowd are no longer their belongings, and their only job is just to feed the domestics and nothing more, do you think they will lighten up on the OBEY OBEY OBEY?
If the K.Halls and Assembly Halls are no longer their belongings, will they give them back to the local congregations, or will they continue to seize them from the congregations like at Menlo Park?
BTW I love the contradiction between one of the above WT quotes and the Bible:
w57 6/15 p. 370 par. 7 Overseers of Jehovah’s People
It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision.
(Php 2:5, 6) Keep this mental attitude in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus, who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God.
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*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par.
3 they keep following the lamb ***.
he has also appointed the slave over all his belongings.
*** w09 2/15 p. 24 par.
3 they keep following the lamb ***.
he has also appointed the slave over all his belongings.
The changes to doctrine in the July WT impact such long held and fundamental JW teachings, that I couldn't even begin to list the magazines and books which are now old light.
Being inspected in 1918/19, being appointed over all Christs belongings, and references to the FDS are such favourite topics, I would guess that EVERY book has some reference to these, therefore EVERY book now contains old light. Actually there is no such thing as 'old light', really it's 'darkness' or 'non-truths'. What's another word for a non-truth?
I said to a family member recently that once we have studied these articles, no-one in the congregation will know what they believe anymore.
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