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Did you ever have a supernatural experience?

by XPeterX in

jw
friends

ok i know some of you are going to mock me but i don't give a shit and you'd better get dafaq outta this thread if you don't beleive in this stuff.. .

so,you ever seen somethin strange?shadow people?felt cold spots?touched by something you can't see?beaten by an unseen force?heard voices/whispers/growls/screams etc?are you sure about it or was it just your imagination?you ever been into the occult?c'mon share your experiences and stories!personally i've never had an encounter with the other side..

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I would quite like an alternative explanation for my experience.

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Elders Meet with Regular Pioneers 2014

by WatchTower87 in

http://adf.ly/auy2w doc version.

http://adf.ly/auy6t pdf version.

program for december 2013 through january 2014. .

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@KateWild - press the 'skip ad' button top right, you should then see the download screen more easily.

If not, try this http://www.sendspace.com/file/7k3ngo

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VERY CONFIDENTIAL LETTER - Child abuse 10/01/2012

by WatchTower87 in

confidential letter child abuse http://adf.ly/auxbu.

to all bodies of elders.

the congregation secretary should arrange for this letter to be retained in the congregation permanent file of policy letters.

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committeechairman - thanks for that insight. It's good to know that the right steps were taken. I can imagine what a relief that must have been to you.

I wonder if this is new direction, since there was a very public case recently where it appears the opposite advice was given to the elders:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2365992/Gordon-Leighton-child-abuse-trial-orders-Jehovahs-Witness-leaders-evidence.html

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what scriptures do the elders use that???

by Crazyguy in

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friends

what scriptures do the elders use to say they are in a position over you and can judge you and can make you go to them for reinstatement etc???

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Heb 13:17: "Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among YOU and be submissive"
This word 'obedient' in the greek is peithō which means 'to be convinced by argument'.

It is very different to Eph 6:1 "Children, be obedient to YOUR parents"
This word 'obedient' in the greek is hupakouō which means 'to be subordinate to, to conform to authority'

Let's look at the context around Heb 13:17:

Heb 12 gives examples that we should look to and 'consider closely'.
Heb 13:7 "Remember those who are taking the lead among YOU, who have spoken the word of God to YOU, and as YOU contemplate how [their] conduct turns out imitate [their] faith. "

This says we should 'contemplate' those taking the lead. In other words, also 'consider them closely' to see how their conduct turns out.
Then if it meets with scriptural precedent we follow them (vs 17) because we are convinced.

In simple terms, we obey our parents but we are persuaded by those taking the lead.

The word 'Obey' does not correctly convey the meaning of Heb 13:17, as Barnes puts it:
"They were to show them proper respect, and to submit to their authority in the church, so far as it was administered in accordance with the precepts of the Saviour."

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Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT "Neutral'

by metatron in

when a debate arises between a witness and a non-witness, "neutrality" is often used as the trump card, a final.

argument that can't be overcome: "we're the only group that is neutral in worldly affairs", they say.. but are jehovah's witnesses really neutral?.

consider that witnesses will teach the following:.

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ilikecheese - Not to mention the military personnel.

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Flips and Flops: Higher Education

by Iamallcool in

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i would like to show my friend that the watchtower change their mind all the time about higher education over the years.

they usually discourage higher education as we all know that.

i would like to show him the wt quotes.

Splash

Hmm, I have this:

NO NEED FOR EDUCATION

Watchtower 1964 9/15 p. 563 par. 20 "Carry On Prayer on Every Occasion in Spirit"

Finally he made it a matter of prayer to Jehovah for wisdom. Along with his daily appeals he spent after school hours in the public preaching work. In response to his prayers he was strengthened to decide for the full-time pioneer service and to reject the scholarship offer. A right decision was made.

Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
"If you are a young person, you also need to face thefactthat you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfilment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfil any career that this system offers. If you are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!"

Watchtower 1969 March 15 p.171 What Influences Decisions in Your Life?

12 The influence and spirit of this world is to get ahead, to make a name for oneself. Many schools now have student counsellors who encourage one to pursue higher education after high school, to pursue a career with a future in this system of things. Do not be influenced by them. Do not let them brainwash you with the Devils propaganda to get ahead.

WT 75 1/9 p.543 "How many yrs of secular education are advisable for children in Christian households?"

It would
hardly be consistent for a youth, of his own choice, to pursue extensive secular studies beyond what is required by the law and by his parents... additional years of college education may present snares.

Awake! 89 5/8 p. 13 What Career Should I Choose?

"But one fact is indisputable: "The time left is reduced"! For all its presumed benefits, would four years or more in a university be the best use of that remaining time?—Ephesians 5:16.

jr (2010) chap. 4 pp. 45-46 par. 7 "Guard Against a Treacherous Heart" (Studied in 2013)

How easily one might start to minimize the wise, balanced advice from the faithful and discreet slave class about additional education.

jr (2010) chap. 4 p. 53 par. 20 "ACCEPT MOLDING BY JEHOVAH"

It may involve your dress and grooming, your choice as to education. [Note, this is from 'Jehovah']

Watchtower 2012 Jun 15 p.23 para 15.
"school counsellors sincerely believe that it is in your best interests to pursue higher education and to plan for a secular career. Yet, their confidence lies in a social and financial system that has no lasting future."

BOE Letter 3/6/12a-E

"Appointed men must be exemplary in heeding the warnings given by the faithful slave and its Governing Body when it comes to education. (Matt. 24:45-47) Would an elder, a ministerial servant, or a pioneer continue to qualify to serve as such if he, his wife, or his children pursue higher education? Much depends on the circumstances and how he is viewed. When such a situation arises, the body of elders should consider the following questions and scriptures:"

w12 9/15 p. 22 par. 16 Learn From the Patience of Jehovah and Jesus

A person who lacks confidence that the end is near might start to make alternate arrangements, so to speak, in case things do not work out as Jehovah said they would. He might then try to make a name for himself in this world, to seek financial security instead of putting God’s Kingdom first, or to trust in higher education to secure a comfortable life now. Really, though, would that not be evidence of a lack of faith?

Note: 45 Years later (2014), the class of '69 have lived past 1975 ("this system is due to end in a few years" - g69 above) and are now retiring. The Watchtower continues to penalise (remove privileges) those pursuing higher education, all the while using in Bethel highly educated and degree qualified lawyers, doctors, dentists, architects, pilots, fund managers etc.

w13 4/15 p. 23 par. 3 "Make Sure Of The More Important Things"

Some among God’s people are getting sidetracked. This may be seen in the decisions they make with regard to secular work, higher education, and acquisition of material possessions, as well as the amount of time spent in sports and entertainment.

Although....

w92 11/1 p. 20 pars. 17-19 Education With a Purpose

If Christian parents responsibly decide to provide their children with further education after high school, that is their prerogative.

(Note: The WT says that you take education only for selfish, greedy reasons, not for enjoyment, retraining or anything else.)

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Did you ever have a supernatural experience?

by XPeterX in

jw
friends

ok i know some of you are going to mock me but i don't give a shit and you'd better get dafaq outta this thread if you don't beleive in this stuff.. .

so,you ever seen somethin strange?shadow people?felt cold spots?touched by something you can't see?beaten by an unseen force?heard voices/whispers/growls/screams etc?are you sure about it or was it just your imagination?you ever been into the occult?c'mon share your experiences and stories!personally i've never had an encounter with the other side..

Splash

I was out walking with a non-religious friend one time and while discussing different things, I called out the name of Satan.

Instantly, at that very second, we both physically ducked down as we each felt a terrifyingly evil presence upon us.

It was an involuntary ducking down, just as you would if there was a nearby and unexpected explosion.

He looked at me with a "WTH just happened?"look. It was just as if the dark lord himself had come to see who was calling him. To say our flesh crawled is a huge understatement - it was truly fearful and I'll never forget it.

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New "Generations" WT Study Article in 2014??

by daringhart13 in

i see people mentioning this and have visited the site looking at all posted wt's.......i see no paragraph's discussing 'generations'....does anyone have any direction?.

Splash

There's some info I posted at the bottom of this thread on the length of generations as mentioned in the bible:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/265910/4/The-1914-generation-is-still-going-strong-100-years-later-2014-study-article

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What is your view on the true meaning of the feeding of the 5000 and 4000?

by Bart Belteshassur in

i have always been somewhat amazed that the jw and general christian view on both these events only focus on the supernaturel abilities of chirst to provide to the hungry mutitudes.

this is then used as evidence that he will and is feeding and providing for all on earth and thus is an indication of his loving and giving nature.. as a simple and dismissive explaination of the factual material contained in both events and the complete disregard of the fact that the gospels clearly state that the events have a far more significant meaning that even the twelve appear not to understand, and is never explained by christ, i am of the view that these two events and those which are associated with them must hold a much higher significance than any christrain religion has ever given them, due to their lack of understanding also.. has anyone ever looked at these events more closely?

has anyone on this ever come up with an explaination with to regard to the no of loafs, no of fish, and the no of baskets of fragments, and also their timing in the year and week when they occured?.

Splash

5,000? 4,000? Plus women and children?

If the WTBTS were in charge at the time there wouldn't have been these useless rounded up figures, there would have been an invitiation to the event, a form handed out to the household heads, and an accounting at the end.

The left over food would have been collected up by those qualified and assigned for such a privilege, along with an encouragement to contribute some of the food you were about to eat, and that would have been taken back to the temple for the priests to eat.

Having been fed there would be instructions on how to show your gratitude, and another form for how much time you spend showing your gratitude during the subsequent months.

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Jamaican Branch Office Closing

by jw07 in

i'm from jamaica, montego bay to be exact.

if there are other jamaicans here, feel free to let me know.. with that said, it was announced at our last meeting (a letter was read) that the branch office (bethel) in kingston would be closing, and affairs would soon be directed from us hq.

now the branch office here is a large compound built on acres of prime real estate.

Splash

Hey hoser,

I think free labour is pretty cheap wherever you find it!

I wonder if it's because Sri Lanka is a translating branch.

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