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  New awake up on jw.org about suicide

  by hoser in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  they have printed a series of articles about suicide.

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  IS A RESURRECTION POSSIBLE FOR SUICIDE?

  YES - Golden Age 1930 17/9 p.825 "Questions and Answers" by Judge Rutherford
  It is not conceivable that a sane person would kill himself. At least, he must be temporarily insane. An insane person is not responsible for his deeds, and therefore the Lord would not hold him responsible.

  NOT IF YOU WERE BAPTISED - w54 5/1 pp. 285-286 Questions From Readers
  So if anyone who has dedicated his life to Jehovah God sanely takes his life in suicide, or deliberately murders another person, it is doubtful that Jehovah would remember such a person in the resurrection.

  However, in the case of a person that did not know Jehovah’s law and was not a dedicated servant of God it would be different. If he died a suicide or as a murderer he would certainly die guilty of grievous sin; but there are many other grievous sins, and for them repentance is possible.

  WE DON'T KNOW - w59 7/15 p. 448 Questions From Readers
  So nothing definite may be stated at the funeral in the way of a promise concerning the future life of the suicide.

  YES - g90 9/8 p. 23 Suicides—A Resurrection?
  Jehovah, having paid "a ransom in exchange for many," is within his right to extend mercy, even to some self-murderers, by resurrecting them and giving them the precious opportunity to "repent and turn to God by doing works that befit repentance."

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  Don't Miss the Meetings - Hebrews 10:24, 25 Re-examined

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i recently got an unsolicited lecture from a well-intentioned but nevertheless misguided jw friend.

  the gist of it was that i needed to go to all the meetings or i would miss out on "everlasting life.".

  i responded that i do not need to go to meetings to have a relationship with god.

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  "not forsaking". Forsaking (Gr. egkataleipo) does not mean to 'miss' as in 'miss a meeting'.
  It means to forsake, leave behind, give up on, desert.

  What Paul is saying is not to 'turn your back entirely' on the gathering of yourselves together.

  It has nothing to do with missing the occasional meeting, since it's as much a state of mind.
  You could be away from the meeting ill, but you have not forsaken the meetings because you still desire to be there.

  But this true definition really doesn't help with guilting people to keep attending, so that's no good!

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  Is The Governing Body Over Jehovah's Witnesses A Bunch Of Arrogant Old Retirees Considering After All That They Claim To Be Christ's Right Hand Man Directing His Dad's Organization On Earth?

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  these guys believe that they are running and directing "god's organization" and it is all based on some flimsy parable interpetation about a master who left a slave in charge while he went away with the outcome uncertain upon his return.

  not a very solid case to be pointedly honest.

  jesus would have made a better choice of donald trump to run his father's business/watchtower corporation, he's less arrogant and doesn't discourage higher education, and plastic children's toys are not a major concern of his.. what is arrogance?.

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  Hi Saul,

  Don't knock the Roman Catholics. Without them we wouldn't have the Bible as it exists today, Christianity wouldn't be spread around the world as much as it is, and JW's wouldn't have the name 'Jehovah' to claim for themselves.

  Besides, who do you think God was using between 100CE and 1900CE as his organisation?
  If you were born during that time and were being led to God, which church would you have had to go to?

  The problem with todays GB is that according to their teachings, 'todays' GB were not alive at 1919 when the master appointed their forebears as the FDS, so where do these new guys get their authority from?

  They also teach commands of men as doctrines. And they 'unsteadily' keep changing their doctrines. They rule with an iron fist, not with love.

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  Could i possily be one of the sealed?

  by msconcerned in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i went to the meeting last night, (with the start of a beard) and going throught he book study i had a thought.

  god our "heavenly father" wants us to have a personal relationship with him because he is love.

  well my brain disconnected from this thinking because if the bible was "written primarily for the anointed" and the benefits in the bible can only be mine because of "association" with the anointed, then i can never have a personal relationship with god or jesus.

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  Bobcat said: (1 Timothy 2:3, 4) . . .This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

  Read a little before and after this verse to get the full context and meaning of what is meant by the term used "all sorts of men":

  (1Ti 2:1, 2) 1I therefore exhort, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, offerings of thanks, be made concerning all sorts of men, 2 concerning kings and all those who are in high station; in order that we may go on leading a calm and quiet life with full godly devotion and seriousness.

  (1Ti 2:5, 6) 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all. . .

  Everything about this passage indicates that it is not directed to a select few only, but rather the whole world of mankind.

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  The Biggest Fear From The Watchtower Organization Is ???

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i think the organization is worried most about how jws will stay loyal to their families even as it rejects the admonition of the gb and elders..

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  I wonder what %ge are still in but wish there was an easy way out.

  There are plenty on this forum who are in that position.

  They are doing just enough to keep the wolves from the door.

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  Yearbook Chart Re-posted - Math explained. Top 7 countries account for 50% growth

  by Westenddave in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  sorted from high to low.

  net increase in publishers2013 ave. pubs2012 ave. pubsincrease/ decrease in publishersincrease in pubs cumulative.

  % increase cumulative columnabcde =a-b mexico (g-31)777,429749,58527,84427,84417.47%legend united states of america (e-32)1,167,7231,156,15011,57339,41724.73%red: latin/spanish landscongo, dem.

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  162 countries recorded an increase. 84 of these had an increase of less than 100 over the year.

  47 countries recorded a decline.

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  WT Mantras / Thought Stoppers

  by Ding in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been thinking about how the gb controls jws through the use of short phrases or scripture quotes (often partial quotes ripped out of context).. think of the sound-bite responses you know jws are going to give you in response to points you try to make to them.. ones that come to my mind immediately are:.

  -- "the light gets brighter and brighter.".

  -- "who, then, is the faithful and discreet slave?".

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  JustVisiting According to some, we are now "on the cusp!"

  What's nearer than a cusp? That will be next.

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  Billy's Comments You Won't Hear at the 01-19-2014 WT Study (7 Shepherds, 8 Dukes)

  by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  16-20. we shall also have to raise up against him seven shepherds, yes, eight dukes of mankind.mic.

  what is the most important thing that you can do now to prepare for any future attack on gods people?.

  all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.. .

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  So when we're told to Trust in Jehovah I can now point to this article and say "Yes, like Hezekiah - I'm off to build my tunnel".

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  Morris in Italy

  by Achille in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  morris in italy, january 5, 2014. http://forum.infotdgeova.it/viewtopic.php?p=281371#p281371.

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  Good job he's not being judgmental.

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  Witnesses: Why The 1/19/14 WT Lesson Is Dangerous

  by Apognophos in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  today's watchtower lesson touched on the history of hezekiah's reign, and then made a surprising modern-day application.

  having used my time before the meeting to research the underlying material instead of highlighting my magazine, i personally found this to be an upsetting study, and decided to put this warning here in the hopes that some active witnesses read it.. the most important thing i want to say to you is that the actual flow of events in this bible account were severely misrepresented, and that there are some disturbing implications in the distortions that were made.

  1. hezekiah's father ahaz makes himself a vassal to assyria out of fear of their overwhelming might (2 kings 16:7, 8).. 2. upon becoming king, hezekiah rebels against assyria (2 kings 18:7).

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  WMF Your constant spamming of the same comment on thread after thread really doesn't help anyone, and contributes nothing to the discussions.

  I much prefer your more considered and thoughtful responses.

  Splash.