(John 14:13, 14) Also, whatever you ask in my name, I will do this, so that the Father may be glorified in connection with the Son. If you ask anything in my name, I will do it.
Posts by Splash
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Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...
by Stumpy ini've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.
you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!
what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.
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Recycled WTS beliefs
by Simon inwe all know the wts abandons and invents beliefs faster than apple can churn out new shiny stuff.
but have they ever abandoned a belief and later picked it up again?.
i remember many years ago we had one of those post-district-assembly review parts (part of the service meeting) where they were discussing some "new light".. there was some confusion about which was the "new" and which was the "old" and a semi-discussion ensued with people commenting.
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Splash
What about Michael? Wasn't there a flip flop on him?
WHO IS MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL?
- An angel, not the Son of God - Zion's Watch Tower 1879, November p.4
- The Papacy - Zion's Watch Tower 1879 December p.6
- Jesus, not an angel - Zion's Watch Tower March, 1883, p.456
- The Pope of Rome - The Finished Mystery, 1917 p.188 and 1926 Edition, p.188
- Jesus Christ, the Son of God - 1930's onwards (see Reasoning From the Scriptures, 1985, p.218)See here - JW Facts, third subheading down.
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Recycled WTS beliefs
by Simon inwe all know the wts abandons and invents beliefs faster than apple can churn out new shiny stuff.
but have they ever abandoned a belief and later picked it up again?.
i remember many years ago we had one of those post-district-assembly review parts (part of the service meeting) where they were discussing some "new light".. there was some confusion about which was the "new" and which was the "old" and a semi-discussion ensued with people commenting.
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Splash
There were quite a few listed in this thread http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/265257/ttatt-can -
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Hi Everyone. Answer to prayer countdown...
by Stumpy ini've been lurking for about 3 months now and thought i'd better finally sign up.
you have all been an immense help to me as i have come to realize that this isn't the truth so i want to say a great big thank you!
what a crazy, emotional ride it is to finally face the truth about the doubts that i have carried for many years.
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Splash
Hezekiah asked for a sign, and Isaiah assisted.
(2 Kings 20:8) “What is the sign to show that Jehovah will heal me and that I will go up on the third day to the house of Jehovah?”
The sun's shadow went backwards.
Moses asked God for a sign and got a leprous hand that was then cured.Jehovah set up a sign for Cain so that noone finding him would strike him.
The rainbow is a sign from God.
Aaron's rod produced flowers, as a sign.
The Psalmist prayed "(Psalm 86:17) Show me a sign of your goodness."
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Governing Body Sheep Fleecing - Official!
by The Searcher infellow witnesses - do you think the kingdom hall belongs to you, just because you all paid for it and personally finance its maintenance?
think again, sheep!
the "shepherds" have announced the fleecing in black & white for you, in case you decide to question them!.
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Splash
In our last Local Needs there was some information about the new LDC arrangement, and a new statement that the GB want congregations to keep their KHalls for one year more than usual before a refit or new build, and this will save the society $80 million per year. That was the figure read out, I'm presuming from a BOE letter.
To facilitate this the congregation was encouraged to take more care of the KHall and make sure all rudimentary maintenance is carried out promptly (examples given were decoration, plumbing, electrics) by the local brothers.
Ties in with The Searcher's conclusion in the OP - It all belongs to the Society now.
This looks to be the result of the famous July 2013 WT changes when it was shown that the F&DS have not yet been appointed over all Christs belongings, meaning that the KHalls did not, in fact, belong to the GB as previously taught. As a result, maybe some congregations thought the KHalls now belonged to them. This latest WT has stamped on that idea!
What I wonder is, if a KHall or bethel is dedicated to Jehovah, who has the right to undedicate it and sell it?
When they say "Therefore, it cannot rightly be said to belong to any individual or congregation", why does this not also include "or any organisation"?They are greedy and manipulative.
(Edit to add: I see Bobcat had the same thought!)
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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments
by Newly Enlightened inthanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.
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Splash
Tell them its only a picture of the front page, not the actual book.
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Where is it said , not to independently do deep study of scripture
by william draper ini do believe it is written somewhere in jw literature .
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Splash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSj9Yr2mXuc
0:50 - 1:15 AM3 is mocking churches for keeping asking for money, saying "we don't ever want to get like that"
2:50 - 2:55 "Jehovah's people are the thinkingest people on the planet"
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Anyone provide Samuel Herd link?
by The Searcher ini'm looking for a link to where he actually lied on jw broadcasting about the bible students "not knowing exactly what was going to happen in 1914".. thanks for any help.
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DATA-DOG Isn't there a WT article about stating information in a way that is misleading?
Did you mean one of these?
*** jd chap. 9 p. 115 par. 9 Dealing With Others as God Desires ***
"When a Christian phrases things in such a way that he inwardly knows is leading brothers to a wrong conclusion, to believe something that is really not true, not accurate, how do you think God feels?"
"… really, would you want to be even associated with a religion that had not been honest with you?" Is This Life All There Is? p.46
"Jehovah's Witnesses are an organization of truth. We should want to speak the truth and be absolutely accurate in every detail at all times. This should be so not only as regards doctrine but also in our quotations. (Theocratic Ministry School Guidebook, p 110)" -
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NEW 2012 Elders book with 2015 Amendments
by Newly Enlightened inthanks to jw archive wiki we have a pdf of the new elders book.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/mz9z38909t3fh7c/2012-shepherd-the-flock-of-god-ks10_e.pdf?dl=0.
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Splash
Page 116 has this interesting directive on disfellowshipping that I was not aware of:
6. If members of the congregation are known to have undue association with disfellowshipped or disassociated relatives who are not in the household, elders should counsel and reason with those members of the congregation from the Scriptures.
If it is clear that a Christian is violating the spirit of the disfellowshipping decree in this regard and does not respond to counsel, it may be that he would not qualify for congregation privileges, which require one to be exemplary. He would not be dealt with judicially unless there is persistent spiritual association or he openly criticizes the disfellowshipping decision.
So you CAN associate with disfellowshipped relatives without fear of being DF'd yourself, so long as you don't discuss spiritual things!
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Faithful and Less-Bullshitting (Relax SR - we're in Canada) Slave
by berrygerry inbobcat's recent post has led to this article in mar 15, 2015 wt, pp 7-11, par 9, 10:.
for many years, gods people found this approach to bible accounts faith strengthening.
why, then, have things changed?10 as we might expect, over the years jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet.
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10 As we might expect, over the years Jehovah has helped “the faithful and discreet slave” to become steadily more discreet.
The discretion gets brighter and brighter.
What verse is that again?