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  The paradox of the WTBTS

  by coalize in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on one hand, wtbts blame you if you choose to work instead of pioneering, and on the another hand, they ask crazily amount of money!.

  isn't it paradoxal ?.

  if every jw leave his job and pioneer, no more money!.

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  I am a native English speaker, and I also do not know the difference between them both!!
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  Looking Back In Retrospect To 1975...

  by titch in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  greetings, folks: so, it's been 40 years since 1975. and, if you were actively involved with the witnesses back then, the mindset of many was, that by early autumn of 1975, it would mark the anniversary of 6000 years of human existence.

  and, the hope was then, that it would mark the start of the 1000-year of christ, from the heavenly realm.

  but, looking back now, 40 years ago, in june of 1975, only 3 more months remained until early autumn.

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  - In Spring 1967 Charles Sinutko gave a talk at the Sheboygon Circuit Assembly and said

  "It almost seems as though Jehovah has provided meat in due season because he has held up before all of us a new goal, a new year, something to reach out for and it just seems it's given us so much more energy and power in this final burst of speed to the finish line. And that's the year 1975."

  " What does the year 1975 mean for humankind? The end of 6,000 years of human existence and possibly the time when God executes the wicked and starts off a 1,000 year reign under his son Jesus Christ "

  "There's only one thing that's going to count when that time comes and that's that we are 'inside', and we hope that all of us here tonight are going to listen to the Society's implorings. We're going to listen to their agonizing entreaties "Brothers get in" because they know what's coming. And it's coming fast and don't wait until '75. The door's going to be shut before then."

  - In November 1968 District Overseer 'Duggan' gave a talk at the Pampas, Texas convention and said

  " This Good News must be preached first, before Armageddon. There is, will be now a remaining few months. Not really a full 83 months remains [6 years, 11 months - takes you to Oct 1975], so let's be faithful and confident and we will be alive beyond the war of Babylon; we will be alive beyond the war of Armageddon. Yes, brothers and sisters, by doing this, having plenty to do, we will be alive in God's new system of things, to live and to share and to work for a thousand years, and there will be plenty to do for the next 1,000 years."

  - On April 15 19752 at the Lakeworth, Florida convention, Ulysses V Glass said

  " the end will come when the witnessing has been completed in all the earth. And so they worry a lot about things; "What are you going to do with China, how are you going to get into China, how will you have reached all those people there, how are we ever going to reach them by 1975?, for example.

  ...It's His word and He knows what He's going to do before He brings the end on this system of things."

  - In May 1972 Floyd Kite gave the talk "Are You Marked For Survival" and said

  " There are a dozen inexorable forces at work right now that are converging together inside of this decade that will spell disaster for this system of things, and there is nothing that no human can do to prevent it."

  - In 1972 at the Divine Rulership district assmebly Bother Reese's closing remarks included

  " We had that advice about 1975, Not changing a thing! Not changing a thing!... We have stronger reason to see that the middle 70's are going to see the complete change in earths affairs."

  - And Fred Franz himself said, in an audio lecture in early 1975

  " But the big questions is this "Is this year, 1975, the final year, the last year for the ingathering of the other sheep? Now we're all interested in that.... We found that just like you here, [other brothers] also were interested in this current year of 1975. What does it signify for Gods people? Is it the year, the final year, the last year for the ingathering of the other sheep before the great tribulation breaks and reaches its climax in the battle of the great day of God the almighty at Armageddon? Is this the year which will lead right on into the establishment of the day of the Lord Jesus Christ? Well, how are we to view this year?"

  " We know it's a critical year, we know we're near something, but we're not saying ."

  " Now our enquiries around the world of the brothers as to what they're expecting to occur between now and the end of 1975 has revealed that some are very sanguine about matters in the near future, and they're expecting the great tribulation to occur, and the destruction of Babylon the Great, and the annihilation of all the political systems of this world, and then the binding Satan and his demons and their abyssing, to occur before this year is ended, this year 1975."

  I know all these things were said because I have the recordings of each one.

  If anyone tries to paper over this mad fervour or deny the worldwide excitement that swept hundreds of thousands to their baptisms, then their deceit is no different to the deceit of Satan, the father of the lie.
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  To Blue Dot or Not to Blue Dot. That is the question ....

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so i've been noticing recently that some khs in the area where i live (socal) are putting up the jw.org little blue dot, but others are not.

  i would think this would be a mandatory directive from hq.

  does anyone here have any intel on the matter?.

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  They have certainly changed their stance on this.
  Not a surprise since they are changing their stance on most things.

  *** km 9/74 p. 8 Question Box ***
  Furthermore, we do not want to give others the impression that the Tetragrammaton is the symbol of Jehovah's witnesses as a whole. We have no organizational symbol to identify ourselves but show that we are Jehovah's Christian witnesses by living in harmony with God's will.

  *** w00 1/1 p. 9 par. 15 Serving With the Watchman ***
  For example, in the 1920's many Bible Students wore a pin featuring a cross-and-crown emblem, and they celebrated Christmas and other pagan holidays. However, for worship to be pure, all vestiges of idolatry must be discarded. God's Word, the Holy Bible, must be the sole basis of the Christian's faith and way of life.

  *** km 4/09 p. 4 Question Box ***
  Congregations or individuals should not use logos or names of the organization's legal entities, or variations thereof, on their Kingdom Halls, signs, letterhead, personal objects, and so forth...

  The Watch Tower logo, or a variation of it, should not be used in future Kingdom Hall projects even if the Kingdom Hall is owned by a Watch Tower entity.

  *** 2014 onwards:
  
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  "Study" of the flip-flop beliefs of WTBTS.

  by coalize in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  as i can see regularly, when we ask a question q to the wtbts, the answer was :.

  1910 : a.

  and in 2015, the answer looks like : "in the past our publication said some things, but now twe know that the answer is : maybe a, maybe b, maybe c, maybe d, maybe a mix of them.

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  Splash

  You might want to take a look at an older thread to see just how bad things have become.

  There is hardly a single teaching that has not gone through the process you describe, and these changes are accelerating, not settling down. The WT truly have no idea about what to believe. You cannot build any faith on a foundation of constantly sifting sand.

  
  TTATT in a can
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  Free Bible research software

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://www.e-sword.net/.

  wonderful free resource - i believe better than wt library :).

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  Splash

  If you use e-sword then you just have to get this as well.

  It's the NWT converted into a free eSword Bible module, so you can instantly compare it against the other versions available for e-Sword.

  Download it from the link below, then put it into your 'eSword' directory where all your other .bblx files are.

  When you next open eSword you will see the NWT listed at the top of the screen along with all the other versions. It's as simple as that.

  Fully indexed etc, it's a great addition to the eSword modules.

  
  Download Link

  Make sure you only click the blue box labelled "click here to start download from sendspace"
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  Will the resurrected marry/have children?

  by davidmitchell in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have just finished reading 'brock talon's' two books.

  in one of them, entitled journey to god's house, pub.

  he comments on how the wt's pictures of the post-armageddon world do not agree with their doctrines, namely that those who are physically resurrected will not marry/have children.

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  RESURRECTED ONES CAN MARRY?

  Women may be turned into men - Golden Age 1930, April 2. P. 446 Bible Questions and Answers
  Whether the identity of the sexes, as such, will be preserved, we do not know. There have been some well authenticated instances in which women have been transformed into men, and it is possible that this transformation may become general and we shall all be brothers together.

  YES - 1943 "The Truth Shall Make You Free" p.362 - 364
  [Evil ones] will not come forth [in the resurrection] to take part in the divine mandate [filing the earth], because that will have been completed by the Lord's "other sheep".

  NO - w50 10/15 p. 381 "Be Fruitful, Multiply, Fill the Earth"
  Nor will the resurrected multitudes be privileged to do so, for Jesus plainly stated that such will not marry nor be given in marriage

  Even survivors won't marry - w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers
  After that final test there will definitely be no marrying or being given in marriage then by those counted worthy of the new world and having the right to eternal life, just as angels have that right

  YES - w54 9/15 p. 575 Questions From Readers
  It is even reasonable and allowable to entertain the comforting thought that those of the other sheep who now die faithful will have an early resurrection and live during the time when the procreation mandate is being fulfilled and when paradise conditions are being spread earth-wide and that they will share in this divinely given service.

  NO - w56 10/1 p. 601 par. 9 'He That Marries Not Does Better'
  She died single, and that without the hope of enjoying married life in God's new world after she is resurrected from the dead.

  NO - w61 11/15 p. 704 Questions From Readers
  for dead ones with spiritual, heavenly hopes and for dead ones with earthly Paradisaic hopes the rule enunciated by Jesus Christ stands unaltered: "In the resurrection neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage"

  NO - w67 10/15 p. 638 Questions From Readers
  Jesus' words apply to the earthly resurrection, and they indicate that those resurrected will not marry or be reunited in a marriage relationship with former mates.

  YES / MAYBE - w14 8/1 page 29+30, questions from readers
  "Could Jesus be referring only to the heavenly resurrection?" "It is possible"
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  Sir David Eady to give judgement on the Watctower Appeal in the Otuo v Morley and Watch Tower case at the High Court tommorrow

  by Adwoa Kromo in

  1. forum
  2. announcements

  sir david eady sitting as high court judge will hand down judgement tomorrow at 11:00am in the appeal of the decision from master leslie for refusing to strike out the claim as an abuse of process.

  in his judgement in november 2014 he stated in his judgement delivered ex-tempore " i am bound to say that this case causes me a good deal of trouble".

  from notes that i have from the hearing last week, i will be utterly surprised if the retired judge sir david eady takes a different view.

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  If the coordinator is found to be guilty, he no longer fulfills the elder requirements to be free from accusation and to have a fine testimony from outsiders.

  If he makes a second serious mistake in his eldership he would be especially culpable.
  Imagine having a convicted slanderer in your BoE!!
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  Geoffrey Jackson compares waiting for Armageddon to waiting for Brazil to score a goal against Argentina!

  by GodZoo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  wtf!https://vid.me/8tuy

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  Splash

  I notice GJ doesn't say WHICH world cup though. Just the one coming 'soon' I guess.
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  Blondie's Comments You Won't Hear at the 06-28-2015 WT Study (TRUST JAH)

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  6-28-15 blondies comments trust in jehovah (4/15/15 study wt).

  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/ .

  so how does the wts start out in the first paragraph?.

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  "From your study of the Bible, you know how disfellowshipped ones are to be treated."
  

  You know, but we aren't saying. You're not going to have this put in print!
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  lapel card

  by shadow in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anyone know where i can get a printable lapel card for 2015 usa convention?

  or could someone upload image here?.

  thanks!.

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  Splash

  The last page of the program is very telling.
  Which topic gets the most page space?
  Clue: It's the only topic for which the Governing Body are especially thankful.