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  December 28, 2016 BOE Re: One Study Edition of The Watchtower in Languages Other Than English

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  december 28, 2016 to all congregations re: one study edition of the watchtower in languages other than english.

  dear brothers:.

  for several years, the simplified edition of the watchtower has been produced in french,.

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  So they found another way of cutting back on the printing then.
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  I am glad to have found the true religion

  by A Believer in

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  2. friends

  it really is great.

  i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

  i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

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  If you have the 'true religion' today, what was it 10 years ago when the teachings were different?
  What will it be in 10 years time when the teachings have largely changed again?

  Along with all other JW's you can ignore the factual evidence which disproves the Watchtower's claim of being led by God and you can pretend to yourself that all is well - closing your eyes and ears every time you encounter a rule that's not scriptural, a teaching that makes no sense, a flip-flop back to an old teaching, a scandal which makes you no different to any other group.

  If you wish to have your every decision made for you, made to believe everything you are told, untold and retold, give your time, energy and money to people who would cast you aside for merely questioning them, then you are perfectly free to do so. History tells us that there are always willing and fervent adherents to every kind of religion and you have found one that suits you and your non-enquiring mind.

  Well done, I sincerely hope that you have a happy life.
  As for me, I prefer to follow the advice of the scriptures instead of handing my thinking abilities over to complete strangers who have proven records of being deceitful:

  "Do not put YOUR trust in nobles" - Psalm 146:3
  "The naive person believes every word, But the shrewd one ponders each step." Proverbs 14:15
  "when he entered the house Jesus got ahead of him by saying: "What do you think, Simon?" -Mt 17:25
  Jesus asking them "What do YOU think?" - Matthew 18:12; 21:28
  "You must love Jehovah your God with ... your whole mind." - Matthew 22:37
  "Now the latter were more noble-minded than those in Thes·sa·lo·ni'ca, for they received the word with the greatest eagerness of mind, carefully examining the Scriptures" (Ac 17:11)
  "keep testing whether you are in the faith " 2Co 13:5
  "present your bodies...a sacred service with your power of reason" Ro 12:1
  "think so as to have a sound mind" - Romans 12:3
  "go on perceiving what the will of Jehovah is" Eph 5:17
  "make sure of the more important things" Php 1:10
  "make sure of all things" 1Thes 5:21
  "we request of YOU not to be quickly shaken from YOUR reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us" 2Th 2:1, 2
  "Ponder over these things; be absorbed in them" 1 Timothy 4:15
  "God gave us not a spirit of cowardice, but that of power and of love and of soundness of mind." 2Tim 1:7
  "I am arousing YOUR clear thinking faculties by way of a reminder" 2Pe 3:1
  "test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God" 1Jo 4:1
  "he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one" 1Jo 5:20
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  Beards - September 2016 Watchtower

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the issue of whether beards are acceptable or not is addressed in the september 2016 watchtower - well sort of.

  it is as clear as mud as to whether they are allowed in places like australia, usa and britain.. 17. what are some factors that may affect whether a brother wears a beard?17 what about the propriety of brothers wearing a beard?

  the mosaic law required men to wear a beard.

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  Alex Moran A Balanced elder body will view it something like this:
  

  There are very few balanced elder bodies. BOE's are typically run by one authoritarian elder or a family clique of elders who badger and bully the rest into compliance with their own personal views and rules.

  It was written to encourage local congregations to consider the matter again
  

  They had no right to write about it in the first place. The fact they are still writing about it shows they have lost all moral sense on this topic and are still looking to lord it over the congregation.

  Of course he could still choose to wear one, it is up to the individual.
  

  Slyly worded. You can go and murder someone, it's up to the individual. The critical thing is not what the individual does but how the elders react. In this case they would react badly, impose sanctions, create a division, 'interview' the brother to find his motives, tell him he's stumbling others, create an unpleasant suspicion over him. And why? What's the crime, the serious cause of disunity? Oh yes, he grew a neat beard.

  One final consideration - the conscience of others in the congregation.
  

  The congregation does not have a conscience, they have a reaction. This reaction is not their own, it is how they are told and taught to react. "For those loving Jehovah there is no stumbling block" let alone something as mundane as an unoffensive beard. Elders conveniently misunderstand being surprised for being stumbled. They are not the same. Until a small beard stops someone attending the meetings, no-one has been stumbled. Want to change the 'conscience' of the congregation? One local needs and the whole game changes. That's how well trained the 'consciences' are, and this is how the GB get instant acceptance for all of their doctrinal changes.

  all it will take is a few brothers who are willing to wear a beard, go out in service, comment, give student parts to persist for a while, then you would likely see a change in attitude.
  

  Which is proof conclusive that the beard rule is an arbitrary, divisive, tradition of men which has no basis in scripture and should not be a rule in the congregation.

  some Body of Elders will try to bully young men into submission
  

  Not just some, but many.
  They will write to HQ, ask the CO, have elder meetings on this. They are frightened to make the right decision because it involves a change to a long held custom, so instead they maintain the wrongness of it with a sanction from a higher up position. They wash their hands like Pilate but they are still culpable pharisees.

  They knowingly violate the rule "Do not go beyond the things written". (1 Cor 4:6-7)
  They lord it over the congregation. (Mark 10:43-44)
  They overstep the commandment of God because of their tradition. (Matt 15:3)
  They ignore the spirit and add a burden beyond the necessary things. (Acts 15:28)
  Their hearts are far removed from Christ and their worship is in vain because they teach commands of men as doctrines. (Matt 15:7-9)
  They try to direct their own step instead of stick to the scriptures. (Jer 10:23-24)
  They only see what man sees and not what God sees. (1 Sam 16:7)
  They incense God because it is their own proud rules who stumble others, not the beard wearer. (2 Cor 11:29)

  And to any rational person, it is simply insane.
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  Special Talk During the Meeting Today About the Bad Press in Canada

  by RobertT18 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i was invited to a congregation in ontario, canada today and as soon as the meeting opened the brother conducting the meeting said there was a very important statement coming from the borg.

  this talk replaced the two last parts of "living as a christian" section.

  he started reading a letter from the borg about how much they loved us.

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  Listener: They can't appropriately call it persecution because it's not.
  

  It's not persecution when they've done something wrong, it's accountability.
  That's like saying all criminals are being persecuted by the police. Nonsense.

  Yet toss the word "persecution" into a JW conversation and everyone feels aggrieved that they are being exposed for being dangerous. Apply the same scrutiny to any other organisation and this proves that organisation is part of Satan's world.
  It boils down to JW's being unable to comprehend that they are ever wrong.

  All this because they have among the worst procedures for dealing with child sex abuse compared to the rest of Satan's system.
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  This week's bs, bible study help

  by Normalfulla in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  hi all , because i'm useless and can't be bothered studying, i need some rebuttals for the excuses given in this week's bs , (i love how the acronym matches its origin) my uber dub father pleaded with me to study this week's book study as it addresses my issues with them being directed by holy spirit etc and how jah reveals things progressively , problem is i know there's a great argument to put fwd with proper preparation but i'm onto my 2nd drink of the evening and can't be assed , please unload some smoking guns i can take with me tomorrow .

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  The Bible Study in para 18 quotes from w1925 March 1st.

  If we are to believe that quotation then we also need to read the rest of that article that the quotation was taken from and believe those things also:
  - Jesus interprets his word to his people. (in which case why does it change so often?)
  - The gentile times began in 606 B.C. (no longer taught)
  - The Devil became god of the world when Israel was cast off (no longer taught)
  - In 1914 the Devil no longer rules the world 'without interference' (no longer taught)
  - The Lord came to his temple in 1914 (w07 12/15 now says that happened in 33C.E.)
  - It speaks of a 'temple class', 'anointed class', and the 'saints'. (not taught today)
  - The seven heads of the wild beast represents seven departments of Satans' organisation (not taught today)
  - The tail which drew one third of the stars actually drew one third of earths leaders. (not taught today)
  - Since 1878 the Devil has been watching Zion (not taught today)
  - The birth of the child is the birth of the little flock (no longer strictly accurate)
  - From 1878 Jesus was collecting his followers (huh?)
  - Christ has been present since 1874 (wha?)
  - Dan 12:1 'Michael will stand up' refers to 1914 (now is future)
  - The events of Rev 12 are written in the wrong order (!)
  - The woman fleeing to the wilderness occurred on 27th March 1919, the start of the 1260 days
  - The disgorged flood was modernism and the League of Nations
  - Mention of Russells 'Advertise' campaign in 1922. (All those advertised to are now dead)
  - They are deep into the time of the end (same as today, 92 years later)

  Paragraph 18 of the BS book says "Just as Jehovah progressively revealed truths about the kingdom leading up to 1914, he continues to do so in the time of the end".
  This is false. The 'revealing of truths' already mentioned in the book relate to Jesus giving a little information to his apostles, then over time this increases in detail. It never revokes a previously held belief or flip flops between multiple meanings, which is what the WT have been doing for the last 130 years. This is evidence of the opposite of what they claim - they are not like the early apostles at all, but rather like every other Christian religion who change their teachings when they are no longer tenable due to the passage of time or some other reason (like the 'generation' teaching).

  Para 19 says they are humble to make adjustments. It is not humble to know you are uninspired and have taught 100's of false teachings over a century or more, but still insist, on consequence of death, that you follow a blood, innoculation and donor policy that later changed after costing many lives.

  Para 20 says we must accept all the constant changes, like the 1st century Christians did.
  Again, false comparison. The 1st century Christians had witnessed miracles. They were being taught a consistent thing - the law was removed and the apostles had a new theology. There was no constant backward/forward/up/down flip flops in the 1st century, again showing the modern GB are not anything like the apostles. The paragraph mentions the letters from Paul were inspired. Are they trying to draw a mental conclusion that their changes are also inspired? Deceptive.
  The apostles encouraged testing of things written so as to know when to accept and reject them. The GB will DF you if you test their false teachings and reject them.

  Par 21 calls these changes 'refinements'. They are not refinements they are changes. Previous teachings are tossed out completely and replaced with something new.
  Was this good use of the masters 'talent' by his servant, or was it a wicked and wasteful thing to do?
  

  Par 21 says we now see more clearly. How can we be sure when we were previously told the old teachings were clearer? We have no basis to trust that they are correct today, any more than they were correct in the past.
  How is it that some things that the churches teach were known to them before the WT taught the same thing?
  How can it be clearer to teach the superior authorities are political, then swap that to being God and Christ, then back to being political again? Evidence of gods spirit or satans? Clearer or more confusing? Clarification or false teaching?

  They use the word "humility" when they actually mean "blind obedience".

  Ask your father if the billions of preaching hours and all the decades of teaching false/wrong things was good, and if all the 1,000's of printed and distributed publications that are now 'apostate' were worth printing.

  Ask him what would happen if he thought one of the GB's teachings were wrong and publicly discussed it. Would the GB be humble and listen to this clarification? No, he'd be warned then df'd.

  Show him -- g70 4/22 p. 8 Changes That Disturb People
  "Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement or even despair because of what is happening in your church? A businessman in Colombia expressed the effect the changes have had on many."Tell me," he asked, "how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe 'new things.' How do I know the 'new things' will be the truth in five years?"

  Since your father was baptised he has seen changes on when the end is coming, on blood, on 1914 and on the 'generation', seen reduced hours for pioneers, a different Faithful Slave definition, new donation arrangements, different assemblies, new headquarters, a different and prominent Governing Body, new videos, cartoons and online TV shows, a different ministry, new branding, every meeting changed, no TMS, shorter Sunday talks, no DO's, everything tablet based, different elder arrangement and appointments, no Kingdom Ministries, thinner and fewer magazines, different Kingdom Hall designs, new songs, new music and a different Bible.

  Is he happy that the religion he accepted and was baptised into has now gone and been replaced, one brick at a time, with a different religion?

  What's that proverb about dropping a frog into boiling water and it will jump out, but put it in a pan of cool water and bring it to the boil slowly to cook it. Your father is that frog.
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  "The G.B. is neither inspired nor infallible"

  by smiddy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  that admission in the feb.17 ,study edition of the watchtower , " who is leading gods people today ?

  " "the governing body is neither inspired, nor infallible, therefore it (they/we) can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction .".

  have the many jehovahs witnesses past and present who have lost their lives by refusing blood transfusions due to the prohibition on blood tranfusions by jehovahs witnesses really got the sense of this statement ?.

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  Direction from God or his prophets cannot be equated to direction from the GB, false prophets, self proclaimed 'uninspired' men.
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  Another Subliminal Image? On the JW Website

  by The Searcher in

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  2. friends

  this image appears on the current main web page - as you scroll the "witnessing" photos.. weird "facial" image at the guy's right shoulder.. .

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  smiddy Splash you need glasses , thats a gal not a guy , obviously a double exposure , yes ?
  

  Then how do you explain his stripey top?

  (I hate having to explain jokes)
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  Another Subliminal Image? On the JW Website

  by The Searcher in

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  2. friends

  this image appears on the current main web page - as you scroll the "witnessing" photos.. weird "facial" image at the guy's right shoulder.. .

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  Not that weird, it's just how Asian guys look.
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  Major Doctrinal Changes Must Be On The Way

  by notsurewheretogo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the statement in the article "who is leading gods people today?

  " in the feb 17th study edition of the wt is very interesting.. it states: ""the g.b.

  is neither inspired nor infallible" ..we can err .in doctrinal matters....".

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  w2010 4/15 p. 9 par. 12 "Holy Spirit's Role in the Outworking of Jehovah's Purpose"
  Jehovah uses his spirit to lead his organization in the direction that he wants it to go.

  w2017/2 p. 26 par. 12 "Who is Leading Gods People Today?"
  The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in [...] organizational direction.

  The above two WT quotations are mutually exclusive, so which one is true and which one is a lie?

  1. Does God lead the organization or does the GB?
  2. Is the organization spirit lead or not?
  
  
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  Selloff Hinted At Assembly

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the last talk at the assembly made an interesting statement, "we can show faith by following direction if we're asked to move to another kingdom hall for better use of dedicated christian funds".

  this statement has everyone talking.

  i spoke to multiple individuals and they heard the same thing at different assembly's.. i know they have been "evaluating" all kingdom halls the last year or two.

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  Seems that Dedicated Kingdom Funds are more important than Dedicated Kingdom Halls.