Posts by Splash

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"It is the victims right to approach authorities" The weak excuse used by the society

by stuckinarut2 in

we have seen that the society falls back on the line "it is the victims right to approach the authorities" during all the abuse claims.. they use this excuse to try and defend the passive lack of action in failing to report suspected cases of abuse.. a comparison came to mind:.

if we came across a person lying in the street who says they were hit by a car, would we say "it is your absolute right to call the paramedics and police"?.

or would we take the initiative and call those authorities ourselves to help the person?.

Splash

For at least 35 years the position of the WT was:

*** g79 3/8 p. 12 Living with Law—Now and Forever ***
But for handling most differences between Christians, men well grounded in Biblical principles are available in the congregations. They are even now helping many to resolve such matters without the public notice and consequent reproach of court action. In some cases Christian love may even move one to “suffer injury” rather than harm the good name of the congregation before those outside.

But there was an adjustment in 2014:

*** lv (God's Love - 2014) p. 223 Resolving Disputes in Business Matters (footnote)***
In rare instances, one Christian might commit a serious crime against another—such as rape, assault, murder, or major theft. In such cases, it would not be unchristian to report the matter to the authorities, even though doing so might result in a court case or a criminal trial.

Plus there's the difference between what's written in the pages and what's said by the elders.
It would be very rare for an elder to condone going to the police. For a start he would need the agreement and concensus of other elders, and for the majority, contacting the police is just too shameful for the congregation.

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Dose Wt really have that much cash.

by joe134cd in

i realize that wt has got a wind fall of cash through various means.

so my question is in the greater scheme of things is it really that much.

for example let's say with all their real estate and cash on hand they are worth about $20 billion dollars.

Splash

Selling capital assets to pay the operational expenses is not a sustainable business model.

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ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

by Richard Oliver in

i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

Splash

WT like many other organisations has had many child abusers amongst it's ranks. WT is no different to any other organisation in this regard. No different.

What It does so badly, worse than other organisations, is it retraumatises the child with its woeful investigation procedures, it puts the name of God above justice for the vulnerable, it allows offenders to be in a position to reoffend, and the congregations and society in general are left unprotected.

These massive failures from an organisation that claims to have God's exclusive blessing. It is taking the superior worldly justice systems to drag the WT out of its deluded bubble, forcing them to improve their disastrous and harmful rules.

To see the GB lie and squirm in front of judges is shameful, yet they piously exhibit no shame. Thank God for the world's justices bringing them to account at last, as they would arrogantly continue in their damaging policies if it were not for lawful decent people stopping them.

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All About The Words We Used

by dubstepped in

in the time since i've left the borg behind i've had a few things hit me as to how words were used.

i'm wondering if anyone else has some similar examples, but here are some things that have made me think:.

watchtower - my whole life i saw this as a thing of protection from outside evil forces, and then when i left someone pointed out "isn't that what they used to keep people in prison".

Splash

HEAD KNOWLEDGE

I was once interrogated by the elders as to my study habits.
I explained that I like studying and do it regularly, using both JW and non-JW sources.

Expecting commendation I was then asked "but do you do this just for head knowledge?"

Stunned.
So even when you do what you're supposed to, you are still under suspicion.

Besides, what other knowledge is there except for that which is stored in your head?

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Video Showing Where in the World Jehovah's Witnesses Have been Active, 1926-2016

by ILoveTTATT2 in

jw
friends

after many, many days of learning how to write macros in excel and cleaning up a lot of data, i finally have the desired result: a timeline of where jehovah's witnesses have been active since 1926.there are some notes:1) "korea" was assumed to be both north and south korea up until 1950.

(i chose 1950 because that is the same year russia and other communist countries went "banned").2) morocco and western sahara are considered as one.3) in the years previous to 1947, i had to read the yearbook reports and make an educated guess as to whether i should include in the report or not.

my requirements were: not banned, report was for an entire year if there was more than one witness in the land, reports were official and not second hand.

Splash

Very interesting, thanks for the hard work!

I hope you will share the excel once you're done as well, this could be the basis for many such analyses.

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Short stay

by midnight in

after much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.

midnight..

Splash

How does that JW illustration go...

Would you drink a glass of clear looking water if someone told you there was a single drop of poison in it?

I guess that only applies to every other religion then.

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Truly I say to you, Amen I say to you, Inferences from a Gospel manner of speech

by kepler in

in another topic changes in the nwt, one of the correspondents posted that.

concerning the comma in luke 23:43, http://www.dtl.org/alt/comments/today.htmhas some interesting comments.. .

to summarize what was stated at this website, the translator selected a translation for luke 23:43. .

Splash

Was Jesus speaking literally when he said '... today you will be with me..'?

Looking at Genesis 2:17 "But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will certainly die", it indicates that the bible can use terms like this as a guarantee of something happening rather than a literal timescale.

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New flip flop document - updated from last year

by Splash in

about this time last year i uploaded a document as part of my going away post.. as stated at the time i had to lie low, and am still doing so.

sort of.

mostly.i pop up rarely to chip in when my 'ardour comes up into my nose' about something lol, but still read the leaks and back-and-forth between the members here.

Splash

Vanderhoven7 Can we get this pdf without signing up for anything?

Seems something got corrupted. No sign up should be needed.

Try this link instead.

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Why JW's have a paedophile problem

by Splash in

i just ran across this quote which resonated with me.. by way of introduction, hmp whatton is europe's largest prison for contact and non contact sex offenders against adults and children.

it's based in nottinghamshire in the uk.. david potter is one of hmp whatton's most experienced facilitators of treatment programmes.. in an interview with the bbc he said "in groups, a lot of the work we do is aimed at building the self-esteem of people that have committed a sexual offence, because a lot of sexual offending is as a direct result of low self-esteem.

in groups we try and build their sense of self worth.".

Splash

I just ran across this quote which resonated with me.

By way of introduction, HMP Whatton is Europe's largest prison for contact and non contact sex offenders against adults and children. It's based in Nottinghamshire in the UK.

David Potter is one of HMP Whatton's most experienced facilitators of treatment programmes.

In an interview with the BBC he said "In groups, a lot of the work we do is aimed at building the self-esteem of people that have committed a sexual offence, because a lot of sexual offending is as a direct result of low self-esteem. In groups we try and build their sense of self worth."

There can hardly be another organisation which instills such a constant and complete sense of shame, guilt, fear, low self esteem, lack of ambition, lack of achievement, lack of self worth as does the WT organisation.

The weekly brow beatings, demands for more, more, more, unachievable personal study regimes, need to be at all meetings and answering, public counsel on your talks, suspicion and taunting when missing field service, and the GB's foot on everyone's neck has turned the congregations into a Petri dish of mental health and abuse issues.

This is an epidemic of their own making, and after cultivating it for so long they are now being exposed, showing the consequences of their evil ravings.

The BBC interview was a couple of years ago and can be read here.

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New flip flop document - updated from last year

by Splash in

about this time last year i uploaded a document as part of my going away post.. as stated at the time i had to lie low, and am still doing so.

sort of.

mostly.i pop up rarely to chip in when my 'ardour comes up into my nose' about something lol, but still read the leaks and back-and-forth between the members here.

Splash

About this time last year I uploaded a document as part of my going away post.

As stated at the time I had to lie low, and am still doing so. Sort of. Mostly.
I pop up rarely to chip in when my 'ardour comes up into my nose' about something lol, but still read the leaks and back-and-forth between the members here. Keep up the good work.

Anyway, although I've not had as much enthusiasm for researching the WT as I used to - I reached a point where I was convinced in my own mind so didn't need to pursue it more - I have added about 3 pages per month during the last year to the document and hope it proves useful to someone or other. I'll not be adding to it any further now, but it just seems too much of a shame to keep it to myself if it might help someone else see the futility of believing WT teachings.

This forum is the author of the info, I'm just the collator. Well done you lot!
If you've seen it all before or are fed up with these sort of things then no worries, skip on to the next thread, I won't mind at all.

All the best, Splash.

(flip flops Jan 2017)