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  Jesus film Slammed

  by TopHat in

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  http://www.livescience.com/history/070226_ap_jesus_film.html.

  archaeologists and clergy slam jesus filmby marshall thompson.

  associated press.

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  RWC

  Sammie, You have said some very kind things about Jesus and that you believe he existed. However, the best proof we have of Jesus and what he said and did is in the Bible. As recorded in the Bible he said he was God. If we don't take him at His word as recorded then we discount everything about him. If he wasn't God and said he was then he was crazy or a liar and not the moral guide he professed to be. If we ignore the virgin birth as recorded in the bible then we discount the miracle of his birth and the fulfillment of the prophecies. We are saying that the bible is wrong. For me, if he said he was God than I take him at his word and those who recorded what he said and did. If the Bible says he was born of a virgin died, and ascended to heaven thtn I will accept as true. I have a difficult time acepting some of the things said about Him and discounting the others.
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  Revelling in not believing

  by PaulJ in

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  ok i've been thinking about posting this for a while.

  i'd really love to see what people think, there might even be people who think the same thing.. as jw's we got every single little thing rammed down our throats right?

  so, we had set beliefs or answers for everything- does god exist?, are there aliens?

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  This is an interesting topic. I was not raised JW and actually agree that they are a cult. It is sad that so many here went through terrible experiences through their youth in a religion that preaches nothing but fire and brimstone and eternal damnation. That is so little of the true Christian religion and you have missed out on alot of the joy that can come from a belief in Christ. I have often wondered if that very negative experience led some to become atheists or non believers and that if your experience had been different you would have reached a different conclusion. Like a natural reaction so far from what you were running from that it led you to disbelieve everything and if over time that reaction mellows and you could examine the faith again in a new light. Not unlike a battered woman who hates all men after she leaves the relationship but later finds that some are okay.

  My religious experience was very joyful growing up and it has brought me great comfort. It saddens me that so many of you experienced such heartache.
  
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  Professed Atheists who have helped society

  by RWC in

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  there seem to be quite a number of atheists who comment here.

  when they argue how bad religion has been for society they point to actions done in the name of religion that are indeed horrific, such as the inqusitions.

  there are also examples of course of non believers who have done great damage to society.

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  "The fact is the more intelligent you are the more likely you will be an atheist"
  
  That is an arrogant statement and an illogical conclusion. There have been brilliant people throughout history who have had faith in God. There are brilliant people today who are believers. Belief in God is not a correlation of a person's intelligence.
  
  As for Abraham Lincoln, his belief in God in not in question-
  
  "I have been driven many times upon my knees by the overwhelming conviction that I had nowhere else to go. My own wisdom and that of all about me seemed insufficient for that day."
  
  "Common looking people are the best in the world: that is the reason the Lord mkes so many of them"
  
  "The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just- a way which if followed, the world will forever applaud and God must forever bless."
  
  Albert Einstein- "I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this ot that phenomenon. in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
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  Do you think it's possible that Jehovah has Munchausen Syndrome?

  by UnConfused in

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  i mean seriously, who let's people get sick only to look like a hero to "save" them?

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  No. That is a total misconception of God and his plan for mankind as outlined in the Bible.
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  Professed Atheists who have helped society

  by RWC in

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  there seem to be quite a number of atheists who comment here.

  when they argue how bad religion has been for society they point to actions done in the name of religion that are indeed horrific, such as the inqusitions.

  there are also examples of course of non believers who have done great damage to society.

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  To my knowledge Albert Einstein was Jewish and Thomas Jefferson was a Diest.
  
  As far as the "top thinkers" are atheists I would assume that that would depend upon your definition of "top" thinker. I do not think that you can exclude believers in God from being major contributors to science or world peace in the next hundred years. There are still billions of people on the planet that profess a belief in God and at least in this country that number is still very significant.
  
  A few prominent or famous athiests who are wealthy or entertainers have done great things for society, no doubt about it. But I don't think you can discount the actions of religious people who have also done great things towards world peace or science. Nor do I think you can discount the religious nature of those on my list by saying that if they were alive today they would be athiests. That is pure speculation and unwarranted.
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  Professed Atheists who have helped society

  by RWC in

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  there seem to be quite a number of atheists who comment here.

  when they argue how bad religion has been for society they point to actions done in the name of religion that are indeed horrific, such as the inqusitions.

  there are also examples of course of non believers who have done great damage to society.

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  RWC

  I know I started this discussion to have some professed atheist named, but thought it would be helpful to balance that list with some individuals who have professed their religious faith and who have helped society:
  
  Johann Gutenberg
  
  Christopher Columbus
  
  Albert Einstein
  
  Louis Pasteur
  
  Nicolaus Copernicus
  
  James Watt
  
  Martin Luther
  
  George Washington
  
  Abrham Lincoln
  
  Orville and Wilbur Wright
  
  William Shakespeare
  
  John Dalton
  
  Alexander Fleming
  
  Ludwig von Beethoven
  
  Joseph Lister
  
  Thomas Jefferson
  
  Michelangelo
  
  Johann Sebastian Bach
  
  Leonhard Euler
  
  John F. Kennedy
  
  Ronald Reagan
  
  Henry Ford
  
  Charles Babbage
  
  Benjamin Franklin
  
  Gandhi
  
  Ferinand Magellan
  
  Martin Luther King Jr.
  
  Just to name a few
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  Professed Atheists who have helped society

  by RWC in

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  there seem to be quite a number of atheists who comment here.

  when they argue how bad religion has been for society they point to actions done in the name of religion that are indeed horrific, such as the inqusitions.

  there are also examples of course of non believers who have done great damage to society.

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  RWC

  I used "professed" to mean those who have expressed their athiesm publically.
  
  As for "supposedly", a benefit to society is a relative term in some instances and what one person views as a benefit others would not, thus the ambiquity.
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  Professed Atheists who have helped society

  by RWC in

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  there seem to be quite a number of atheists who comment here.

  when they argue how bad religion has been for society they point to actions done in the name of religion that are indeed horrific, such as the inqusitions.

  there are also examples of course of non believers who have done great damage to society.

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  RWC

  That is a long list Kid -A Thank you.
  
  But I can't say that I agree that they have all benefited society. Is it your position that all on this list have provided a benefit to society?
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  Professed Atheists who have helped society

  by RWC in

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  there seem to be quite a number of atheists who comment here.

  when they argue how bad religion has been for society they point to actions done in the name of religion that are indeed horrific, such as the inqusitions.

  there are also examples of course of non believers who have done great damage to society.

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  I am not proposing that only religious persons can do good deeds for society. I am only asking for professed atheists who have supposedly done good deeds to be identifed.
  
  As for Christopher Hitchens, I believe that his take on Mother Teresa should be taken with a large grain of salt. He is an admitted anti Cahtloic, alcoholic Marxists. Hardly the type of person who would admire her work.
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  I looked at some of these and I think they can be summarized as follows:
  
  
  God is imaginary because God is imaginary