That is going to be one of my favorite charts for a long time (maybe not so long given the GB's propensity to make stuff up). But seriously. That is just so pathetic. I would have just as much success convincing anyone with the tiniest bit of education that WWII 'evidently' ended in 1995. Why? Because the GB says so...
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Is RIDICULE acceptable in online debating?
by nicolaou inthis topic was inspired by one of fhn's comments on the 'warzone' thread, so i'll just restate my post there .
.. "i've been wondering for a while now if ridicule really is an unacceptable feature in debate - it certainly isn't a valid form of argumentation.
the thing is, some individuals really do come out with the most laughable nonsense and parade it as a serious proposition that merits attention.
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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From Study 40 in the MS book: Accuracy of Statement
Checking the Accuracy of Information. Current events, quotations, and experiences can be helpful when you are illustrating and applying certain points. How can you be sure that they are accurate? One way is by extracting such items from reliable sources. Remember to check that the information is up-to-date. Statistics become obsolete; scientific discoveries are quickly surpassed; and as man grows in understanding of history and ancient languages, conclusions based on previous knowledge need to be revised.
But we never do that, in a way to agree with new 'wordly' understandings... We only revise stuff when we see fit (or need to in order to COA).
Seriously, the MS book is a work of art (only not in a good way). The chapters on research and study are classics in group control.
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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@Konceptual99: yea, that quote about Abraham really got me started when I first saw it. According to WT history, there were no Egyptians before the Tower of Babel. So all of Egyptian history was compressed into the time from post 2269 to when Abraham arrived. That is most amazing. It is also interesting how they mention how advanced the city of Ur was when discussing Abraham's departure to live in tents, but no mention of the fact that Sumeria had 1000 years of history as a dominant civiization prior to that. Sure we don't know exact dates, but we do know that most of it happened earlier than 2370. The whole subject was always so embarassing to me. I prayed nobody would bring up the subject at the door when I was in.
So no wonder witnesses are demoralized. It is not healthy trying to maintain multiple versions of 'truth' in your mind simultaneously.
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I want to Believe in Something
by James Jackson inafter serving in an appointed position for over 26 years (21 elder, 5 ms,14 pioneer), i have no more dreams of paradise, bored at the meetings, do not enjoy the field ministry.
the desire to do anything is gone.
i want to believe in something!.
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LisaRose, your question about 'what is you passion' rings a bell (a sad one). We met some new neighbors recently for a few drinks and a grill and the husband asked me at some point: so what is your passion, what are you passionate about? I still don't know the answer, but I am determined to find out. His wife felt embarrased for me and tried to get him to back off, but I said it was a good question> I haven't stopped thinking about it. What a waste, waiting for the 'new' system when there is so much on the table in front of you.
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Are you a coward?
by Bugbear inactive jw:s spending their time with the preaching work, are often aware of that their message does not comply with simple scientific facts.
they know that evolution has taken place, that the timetable of the bible is not correct, and that most of the bibles content, are tales, that the original text has been rewritten, and rewritten, and misunderstood, and rewritten (except for a fragment p54, which is from 300 a.c.) still they go out preaching, trying to find possible converts to the teaching of the gb.. often they try to do as little as possible, one or two hours per month, talking to their children, or old parents.
this to satisfy the elder who is responsible for the report list to the society.. but are these people not responsible for promulgate a lie.
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Agreed adamah. I have taken the hard cold look and it is not pretty. I understand why I went down that road. Not going to happen again. I only wish I had done the same thing 20 years ago. That would put me at the same age as ConfusedAndAlone = still a full life ahead...
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I want to Believe in Something
by James Jackson inafter serving in an appointed position for over 26 years (21 elder, 5 ms,14 pioneer), i have no more dreams of paradise, bored at the meetings, do not enjoy the field ministry.
the desire to do anything is gone.
i want to believe in something!.
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James, me too. But we should also consider the possibillity that there is nothing to really believe in except now. Could be painful, could be good.
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Are you a coward?
by Bugbear inactive jw:s spending their time with the preaching work, are often aware of that their message does not comply with simple scientific facts.
they know that evolution has taken place, that the timetable of the bible is not correct, and that most of the bibles content, are tales, that the original text has been rewritten, and rewritten, and misunderstood, and rewritten (except for a fragment p54, which is from 300 a.c.) still they go out preaching, trying to find possible converts to the teaching of the gb.. often they try to do as little as possible, one or two hours per month, talking to their children, or old parents.
this to satisfy the elder who is responsible for the report list to the society.. but are these people not responsible for promulgate a lie.
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I''m with you both (Bugbear and Tornapart). I simply can't go to another meeting. Haven't been in several months now. Just wished I had 'manned-up' many years ago. Thankfully, I have no family in 'except' my wife.
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Special Meeting Newburgh, NY Assembly Hall
by XBEHERE ina friend of mine called me yesterday and he told me about a special meeting up at the assembly hall in newburgh, ny regarding the warwick project this passed saturday that all elders and ministerial servants living within a 55 mile radius were invited to.
he told me a lot of stuff but the gist of it was:.
1. volunteer to work.
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I'm with you DOC except that Yahweh seems to be a bit unpredictable. Or perhaps the 'holy spirit' is a bit of a wild-card. You would think, the unchangeable 'rock' would just tell it like it is and leave it at that. Why all the adjustments? Maybe the GB have a bad connection and sometimes they get it wrong. They did not seem very sure when they embarked on this project.
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JW morale reaching new low
by kneehighmiah inmany friends i've spoken with are becoming discouraged.
because of this it's becoming tempting to privately share my views with friends, but i know this is still too dangerous.
most witnesses in my circle are intelligent free thinkers.
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But it is coming up again in the January edition. I just got my copy in English yesterday and already marked up the 2 offending paragraphs. I am going to use if for discussion with the wife. Plus we get a bonus timeline in the same issue that again shows the 'flood' occured in 2370BCE and then only 100 years later the buggers were already building the tower of Babel. So they all moved from Ararat to plains of Shiinar and breeding like rabbits, managed to build cities and civilizations with enough support to embark on this project. Not bad!
In the same timeline, they did not want to 'speculate' on what year Adam and Eve were ejected from Eden so they did not post a date.
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A real difficult congregation???
by quellycatface inmyself and my family have had some odd experiences in our current congregation.
i have'nt been to meetings since september because of this.. 1. the co told the elder who was studying with my husband that he was doing it as an "academic exercise.
" my husband is very intelligent, been in the military, has a degree and a masters and a good job.
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So, quellycatface: where is the love that Jesus said would be an identifying mark of his people? Not at the KH, that's for sure. To be fair, I met some great people in my 30+ years as witness, but looking back, I'm sure they were just great people to begin with, not because they were JW's. Don't go anywhere near the Ministry 'school'. It will only add to your discomfort and stress levels.
Just keep asking questions. You will find lots of ammo and ideas here.