So it sounds to me that this might be one of those useful 'moral' issues that would me more helpful in discussions with those we love who are still in? I realize, especially with women that discussing doctrinal slip ups is probably the wrong route to go. How best to bring it up? In the form of a question of course but what about source? Need some thread references to those from bethel being reassigned to local congegrations from recent WT material. I think my wife might be able to connect the dots on this one...
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The Governing Body Have Stabbed Many Old Bethelites In The Back By Not Taking Care Of Them In Their Old Age
by frankiespeakin inthese guys are real company men when they have mass lay off of older bethelites tossing them to the curb and making the congregation they are assigned to carry some of the load, so that the watchtower corporation can cut costs of providing for these nolonger young people who have devoted theirs lives to the corporation.. they are heartless bastards aren't they?
i wonder what kind of undercurrent this is causing at headquartes?.
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Is asking questions of logic about a Global Flood effective in waking loved ones?
by BU2B ini was thinking about using a tactic of asking questions revolving around "noahs flood" to try to start my wife doing some serious thinking.
unlike doctrine that cannot often be proven one way or another, this issue can be proven beyond the slightest doubt that it is impossible.. i was thinking about asking a question something like this "i was reading about coral reefs today, and they sure are amazing!
what amazed me the most is how long it takes for them to build the reef, and how long they live!
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From the great source:
The unconscious mind (or the unconscious) consists of the thoughts in the mind that occur automatically and are not available to introspection, and include thought processes, memory, affect, and motivation. [1] Even though these processes exist well under the surface of conscious awareness they are theorized to exert an impact on behavior. The term was coined by the 18th-century German romantic philosopher Friedrich Schelling and later introduced into English by the poet and essayist Samuel Taylor Coleridge. The concept was developed and popularized by the Austrian neurologist and psychoanalyst Sigmund Freud. Empirical evidence suggests that unconscious phenomena include repressed feelings, automatic skills, subliminal perceptions, thoughts, habits, and automatic reactions, [1] and possibly also complexes, hidden phobias and desires. In psychoanalytic theory, unconscious processes are understood to be expressed in dreams in a symbolical form, as well as in slips of the tongue and jokes. Thus the unconscious mind can be seen as the source of dreams and automatic thoughts (those that appear without any apparent cause), the repository of forgotten memories (that may still be accessible to consciousness at some later time), and the locus of implicit knowledge (the things that we have learned so well that we do them without thinking).
and from the same:
The subconscious is commonly encountered as a replacement for the unconscious mind and therefore, laypersons commonly assume that the subconscious is a psychoanalytic term; it isn't. Sigmund Freud explicitly argues:
“ "If someone talks of subconsciousness, I cannot tell whether he means the term topographically – to indicate something lying in the mind beneath consciousness – or qualitatively – to indicate another consciousness, a subterranean one, as it were. He is probably not clear about any of it. The only trustworthy antithesis is between conscious and unconscious." [3] ” In Freud's opinion the unconscious mind has a will and purpose of its own that cannot be known to the conscious mind (hence the reason why it is called the "unconscious") and is a repository for socially unacceptable ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions put out of mind by the mechanism of psychological repression.
Charles Rycroft explains that the subconscious is a term "never used in psychoanalytic writings". [4] Peter Gay says that the use of the term subconscious where unconscious is meant is "a common and telling mistake"; [5] indeed, "when [the term] is employed to say something 'Freudian', it is proof that the writer has not read his Freud". [6]
Freud's own terms for thinking that takes place outside conscious awareness are das Unbewusste (rendered by his translators as "the Unconscious") and das Vorbewusste ("the Preconscious"); informal use of the term subconscious in this context thus creates confusion, as it fails to make clear which (if either) is meant. The distinction is of significance because in Freud's formulation the Unconscious is "dynamically" unconscious, the Preconscious merely "descriptively" so: the contents of the Unconscious require special investigative techniques for their exploration, whereas something in the Preconscious is unrepressed and can be recalled to consciousness by the simple direction of attention. The erroneous, pseudo-Freudan use of subconscious and "subconsciousness" has its precise equivalent in German, where the words inappropriately employed are das Unterbewusste and das Unterbewusstsein.
Again, obviously I am not an expert in this area (using wikipedia as a source), but is seems like the subconcious mind is not the prefered term. Anyone in this field professionaly want to share their thoughts?
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Quote Without Comment
by metatron inhttp://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html.
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My winters are getting more extreme as predicted by climate change advocates. Sometimes no snow, sometimes freezing below normal frost line. At the same time generally warmer. I am actually more worried about Poland turning into a desert, than freezing to death. And now out enlightened leaders have decide that fracking is a good thing.
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Is asking questions of logic about a Global Flood effective in waking loved ones?
by BU2B ini was thinking about using a tactic of asking questions revolving around "noahs flood" to try to start my wife doing some serious thinking.
unlike doctrine that cannot often be proven one way or another, this issue can be proven beyond the slightest doubt that it is impossible.. i was thinking about asking a question something like this "i was reading about coral reefs today, and they sure are amazing!
what amazed me the most is how long it takes for them to build the reef, and how long they live!
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Hey Adamah,
I'm not an expert in this field, but I have been doing a lot of reading recently to conduct English language conversation lessons with students who have some expertise in this area (thus I had to educate myself - enjoyed reading about Freud and Jung) but is seems like instead of using the term as you did (subconcious) most professionals prefer the term unconcious. Any thoughts on the matter?
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by metatron inhttp://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html.
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You need to spend more time at 'Faux' news instead of reading all this independent stuff to get the truth. Don't worry. Everything is fine.
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Attended the meeting tonight and fill in reading.
by DS211 inattended the meeting tonight, filled in for a sick person, nailed the reading..got asked where i was and one elder was pretty condescending...sarcastically responded with "oh really?!?!
you were sick?!?!
you had germs?!?!
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Just don't go anymore. I haven't been there for several months. At first, on Sundays I got the "aren't you going to the meeting today?" Then it morphed into, are you going (if by chance I had happened to shave in the last few days and wasn't already out in the yard working). She never asks about service meeting night. Just Sundays occasionally now.
I told her it is best for her because if I go I might stand up and shout during the WT 'discussion' : hey! this is all bullshit! For five seconds, allow yourselves to think! Don't be afraid...
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Is asking questions of logic about a Global Flood effective in waking loved ones?
by BU2B ini was thinking about using a tactic of asking questions revolving around "noahs flood" to try to start my wife doing some serious thinking.
unlike doctrine that cannot often be proven one way or another, this issue can be proven beyond the slightest doubt that it is impossible.. i was thinking about asking a question something like this "i was reading about coral reefs today, and they sure are amazing!
what amazed me the most is how long it takes for them to build the reef, and how long they live!
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It is certainly worth a try, but don't expect much. I had to show my wife from a WT that the JW's teach that there was a global flood in 2370BC(E). She didn't believe it (that they would print such nonsense). I agreed it was nonsense and then explained how such nonsense would be an instant turn-off to anyone who showed even the slightest interest in discussing the bible with her. Once they heard that, they wouldn't hear anything else she was talking about. It was always extremely embarrasing to me.
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'Evolution' of the Creative Days length
by Syme inwe all know that wts likes to distance itself from the young earth creationists, who believe in the literal 6-day creation.. so are we supposed to be something fundamentally different from the yecs?
not so much.... i did some research some time ago about what the society believes abouth the length of the creative days.
this is what i found:.
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I could never figure out why they insisted that all the creative days had to be equal in length. Much of the WT historical view of the world is still stuck somehere in the thinking of the late 18th century despite their claims to being a progressive organization.
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Jamaican Branch Office Closing
by jw07 ini'm from jamaica, montego bay to be exact.
if there are other jamaicans here, feel free to let me know.. with that said, it was announced at our last meeting (a letter was read) that the branch office (bethel) in kingston would be closing, and affairs would soon be directed from us hq.
now the branch office here is a large compound built on acres of prime real estate.
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I feel really bad for these people getting kicked to the curb (hate the ones doing the kicking). It is hard enough for those having worked and competed in this 'system' for many years to continue to put food on the table. Even with a decent education. Now imagine having no education (talking some kind of degree) or real-world work experience and suddenly finding yourself thrust out into the cold. It seems their only hope is to try and find work thru their network of 'brothers'. Hopefully they didn't annoy too many in their previous existence as an elite bethelite.
Wouldn't it have been nice if the new compund they are building in NY was actually a retirement-care home for all those who had honestly devoted their lives to kingdom service! Or pehaps, it could also have included an educational facility (non-theocratic) to help retrain those who suddenly find themselves with no marketable skills , simply because they got taken in by the 'end is near' hokum. I know, what am I thinking...
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I AM CONFUSED WITH THE JAN STUDY EDITION?? Help me
by Sittingstraight1212 in2 jehovah will use the kingdom to unify his family in heav- en and on earth.
that divine purpose will be realized.
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I thought the same thing when I first saw that. I think they just like to mix it up a bit. I don't think it would take much searching in WT lib to find something opposite and more along the lines of what you and I remember. But I am 'evidently' an appostate, so don't trust me. Better to do some research in pre-approved WT sources. See MS book for the list.