Posts by sadiejive

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What is Jehovah's Will Today?

by SexyTeen in

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i have a quick question: what is jehovah's will today and who is doing it?

sadiejive

So where can I go to get answers to my questions?

Stacie,
If you are sincere, I would suggest you read your bible and pray for God's holy spirit to reveal it's meaning and His purpose for your life to you. Everywhere you go, you will find that the bible means different things to different people (even in the WTS, ever how unwilling they are to admit it). It is my belief that Jehovah has different purposes for all of us. Admittedly, there are things that all Christians should do, such as sharing the gospel with others and being kind and forgiving...but not everyone, IMO, is called to evangelize (Eph 4:11). Pray to Jehovah and ask him what is purpose for your life and how you, individually, may serve Him. I wish you the best.

Sadie

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What or who is the Faithful & Discreet Slave?

by SexyTeen in

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i know that most of you do not believe that the annointed remnant among jehovah's witnesses is the faithful & discreet slave.. so who is?

jesus did say that this slave (individual or class?

) would be feeding his sheep, so who is doing the job?

sadiejive

It has been my understanding that the FDS mentioned in Matt 25 is a message directed to any of those in position of leadership to Christ's followers. Not limited to those in just one particular organization or church, but applicable to the proclaimers of Christ as a whole.

Sadie

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SEX, LIES, DEMONS, & APOSTASY

by You Know in

the issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?

that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.

the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.

sadiejive

AChristian says:

Where in the Bible does it describe the events which took place in Eden as "a test"?

If a scientist puts a mouse in a box with peanut butter on one side and cheese on the other...what is this procedure called? (I know, I know...bad analogy but I couldn't come up with anything else...) Is it not a test? Perhaps the bible doesn't go so far as to blatantly state that Adam and Eve were being tested but what else would you call it?

...after this happened, it's meant to have set up the question of whether humans could govern themselves....Really? Where does it say that in the Bible? It doesn't. That is Watchtower theology, which you have thoroughly confused with biblical theology.

What is the "biblical" theology? I ask this sincerely.

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And above...UR took the next question right out of my mouth.

Sadie

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What I am Reading, What I am Listening To

by mikepence in

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in the interest of getting an idea of what interests people here, use this thread to post what you are into right now.. i am reading.... susan sontag's "in america" ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0374175403/mikepence-20) what an incredible author.

this book won the national book award.

see the reviews on amazon.

sadiejive

No prob, Singsong.

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SEX, LIES, DEMONS, & APOSTASY

by You Know in

the issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?

that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.

the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.

sadiejive

Funny....although I consider myself a "christian" I have to say I agree with Abaddon's reasoning.

This is something that has always bothered me. God creates you this way and then punishes you for being the way that he himself made you to be.

Just last night, I was reading my bible...I'm in Romans...and I read this:

Romans 9:14-20,22:

"-14- What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all. -15- For he say to Moses, 'I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.' It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. -17- For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: 'I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' -18- Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden." -19- One of you will say to me: 'Then why does God still blame us? For who resists His will?' -20- But who are you, O man, to talk back to God?... -22- What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power nown, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath-prepared for destruction?

When I read this, I couldn't help but feel a little, well...miffed.

First of all, rather than give an answer as to why God would create man simply for "making his power and name known" or why He would make people just for the purpose of destroying so that he can show his "great wrath" (great wrath for people who are only acting on the instincts that He gave them, mind you)...Paul simply states, "Who are you, O man, to talk back to God?"....humph!

Second, one has to wonder about a deity who creates:

1. People who are made with a sinful nature.
2. People who are blamed for acting on a sinful nature that was given to them by their creator.
3. People who are punished for acting on a sinful nature that was given to them by their creator.
4. People who are punished (such as Pharaoh) when they are hardened by God and act out of the hardness that God himself has placed in them.
4. Some people simply so that he can destroy them for the purpose of proving His power.

Maybe, I have a bad spirit....or perhaps I am one of these that He has fashioned simply to be destroyed, but this scripture doesn't sit right with me.

Sorry to have veered off of the subject so. Just thought I'd vent.

Sadie

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Scriptural Separation

by Earnest in

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at the meeting this evening the co discussed the scriptural basis for separation between husband and wife.

he said there were three grounds for separation :.

1. the man refuses to support his family in a material way.

sadiejive

Hi Earnest,

I have always felt that if someone's life is in danger from a spouse then that would be grounds to separate although I don't believe there is any scripture to support that belief. Divorce? I don't know...scripturally speaking, I guess not, as I agree that the only scriptural basis for divorce is adultery.

Also, in all the years that I attended a "church", prior to meeting JWs, I had never ever heard of scriptural basis' for leaving a spouse...NEVER. It wasn't until I studied with the witnesses that I heard of this. During the meeting, did they give the "scriptures" for these "scriptural" basis'? Just curious.

sadie

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SEX, LIES, DEMONS, & APOSTASY

by You Know in

the issue is as old as eden itself, that being: does god have the right to tell us what to do?

that core question, more than anything else, defines what jehovahs witnesses are about, in that we are outspoken advocates and supporters of jehovahs right as sovereign to require obedience from his creatures.

the flip side of that is, of course, rebellion against god, which is expressed in numerous ways and on all levels of society.

sadiejive

Can there be any doubt that God’s word identifies the present generation of children, many of whom were who were brought up in the truth, as we say, but who rebelled against the faith of their parents, by these words: “There is a generation that calls down evil even upon its father and that does not bless even its mother. There is a generation that is pure in its own eyes but that has not been washed from its own excrement.”

Technically, YouKnow, couldn't this theory also be applied to the first generation Jehovah's Witnesses (or should I say "bible students")??

There is a generation that calls down evil even upon its father and that does not bless even its mother
...And what other church or organization would have you shun your own mother and father if they were "apostate"? What religion won't even allow it's members to celebrate days designated to give honor to mothers and fathers...or even allow its members to show gratitude for the birth of their parents??

sadie

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Dear Robert

by Mann in

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dear robert, i have done quiet a lot of research into the jw's doctrines.

you see; i had to make an important decision on where i stood as far as jw's are concerned.this chat site was very helpful.

i have taken the most controversial members ( lol there are only three of you)from this site, in opposition to eachother and used your arguments and reasongings to "help" make my mind over on what i would do.. the thing that struck me most about your arguments were: you kept giving glory to jehovah and his son, you used scriptures to back up your points (glad you didn't give out where to find those scriptures) you didn't make excuses for the wtbs errors, and misdeeds, and the most important point was your pointing out that jehovah himself will judge and spank his own people.

sadiejive

Mann says:

Carmel (Idiot) again if you haven't leaned by now you never will. I am sure any one with just 1/2 of a brain cell is a hell of lot better than you.

William Penwell Don't try that shit with me.

If you can't respect my God do you really think I give a damn about you?

Don't start crying like a little bitch now.

Read your Bible you idiot.

You represent Jehovah and his son? If this is the true nature of a "Godly" person then I want no part of it.

Who needs to judge you? Look at the words that come out of your own mouth...they judge you. It's not what enters your body that defiles you, it is what comes out (Matt 15:17,18). I'm sorry for you Mann. Perhaps you are just a bitter and hurt person. But as mean and hateful as you have presented yourself to be, Jesus wanted his followers to love all...so with that said, I will keep you in my prayers.

sadie

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What I am Reading, What I am Listening To

by mikepence in

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friends

in the interest of getting an idea of what interests people here, use this thread to post what you are into right now.. i am reading.... susan sontag's "in america" ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0374175403/mikepence-20) what an incredible author.

this book won the national book award.

see the reviews on amazon.

sadiejive

Reading:

Encyclopedia of Things That Never Were; Robert Ingpen and Michael Page
Redwall; Brian Jacques

(((...I recently saw Lord of the Rings and have just "been in the mood" for some fantasy reading....)))

Bible
3 Nancy Drew books...sorry, I always loved them as a girl and can't stop reading them just because I'm a grown up now.

Listening:

Recent:
Bob Marley
Depeche Mode
Phil Collins
Enigma
Beethoven

...at this moment...
"In Your Eyes": Peter Gabriel (I LOVE this song)

Also, some other really neat listening can be found here:
http://www.radioafghanistan.com

sadie

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Do they bug people?

by bluesapphire in

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i have heard comments in the past about people being bugged, telephones, homes, cars, etc.. does anyone really know this happens or is it apostate urban lore?

sadiejive

LOL @ Freeborg....my thoughts exactly !!

sadie