Posts by sadiejive

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Apostate Literature

by YoYoMama in

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is it possible after researching the net on jw beliefs, background and reading apostate information that a jw would still research the bible and find watchtower teachings as truth?

I agree with what Valis said. I firmly believe some people just need to believe (not just in this...but in whatever they believe). Once I found out some of the things I found out about the WTS and actually read doctrinal scripture from a different perspective, I felt I could no longer go to the meetings. I can't sit there and pretend to have faith in something I don't agree with any longer. My husband, I know, has his doubts about it too. But he is just not ready to let go. He needs it. And I still don't know what the truth is. I still don't have any answers. But I know now that I don't need to have all the answers. And just because someone seems to have all the answers, it doesn't mean that they are the right ones. My husband, on the other hand, figures that since no one else seems to have the truth and are teaching unscriptural doctrine (hell, trinity are his two biggest issues)...then that must mean that the JWs really do have the truth....despite all the "kooky" stuff.

I think this is what keeps many attached to the org. The thought process of "well, if this isn't the truth, then what is?"

sadie

...edited because I can't spell...

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Hello...may I post here?

by KistByQpid in

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i've been lurking here for some time now.

i'm not a jw, never been a jw, and don't plan on becoming a jw...however my life has been effected by the jw's whether i like it or not (dad's death/mom's conversion).

seems most here are exjw's or jws...so i'm not too sure if i'm welcome or not?

sadiejive

Welcome KistbyQpid!!!

I'm not a JW either. Fortunately, I found out the truth about the truth before I went to much farther. UN-fortunately, my husband still hasn't figured it out and is still pursuing it...with my kids in tow.

It is hard watching my kids be carted off to meetings every Sunday, Tues, and Thurs...knowing that their little brains are being fed. You, however, are in a situation where you are in a bit more control. I think Sirona's advice was good.

And what Ashitaka said about them feeding your mom this persecution stuff...it's all true. I had a bat with my mom about a year ago when I was "trying" to be a witness (unbaptized). She insisted on showing my kids "Rudolph the Red nosed reindeer" (the nerve of her...LOL). I got her on the phone and told her that these were my kids, my responsibility and I wasn't raising them celebrating this pagan holiday. Well, needless to say that didn't go to well. I could not see her side (and honestly, she couldn't see mine either). She saw nothing wrong with Christmas, Rudolph, etc and did not want to even pretend that she agreed with such nonsense by giving in to my (and more so, my husband's) requests that she not mention Santa around my children, or show them Christmas shows, etc. So, I stopped letting my kids go see her. The witnesses were all like feeding me the lines that Ashitaka mentioned above and using that scripture in Luke 12:49-53 and another one (that I can't locate just yet) that mentions those who give up their fam for the cause of Christ and being blessed.

Educate yourself about your mom's beliefs and how to refute them. But try, if at all possible, to avoid talking about religion altogether. I found a wealth of info at www.freeminds.org. Another good site is carm.org.

BTW, how old are your kids?

I wish you the best and welcome to the forum!

Sadie

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I got a nutter !

by Simon in

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a good example of fine christian conduct, brought to you by "debbie.williams".. first email.

i'm glad that jehovah will kill you,yet!.

there is alot of things that i want to say but you know that jesus said in matt 24:9-11 that you would hate his faithful ones ,but to be honest with you ,we don't hate you ,cause in matt 5;1-9 says that we will be hated,so since we all know that ,than it is a pleasure that you talk about us.and other thing that i want to say is that people in the world thinks that we are crazy ,but if you would read the old testament than you will know that the jews were to serpart themselves from the other nations and that is how jehovah's witness fell about it,see when the jews would be around other nations than they would forget jehovah and they would worship other gods.when they do that ,it would cost them their lives.so it is good that you are talking about us and i would like for you to continue to do so .why?

sadiejive

LOL @ smoldering wick!

I think Beck made a good point. In any case, the person is still a loon!

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What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?

by gilwarrior in

what i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.

" in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.

they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!

sadiejive

Night on Earth

Is that the one where Wynona Ryder plays a cab driver?

"Wings of the Dove" was an awesome movie too.
In the same theme as Wings of the Dove...has anyone seen the Red Violin (Samuel L Jackson)? Firelight is a really good movie too. Or Immortal Beloved?

Geez, I really need to stay away from this thread .

Oh, and I detested Trainspotting. I couldn't get past the part about the baby.

Sadie

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JW VS Apostate code words

by Imbue in

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every social group develops their own code words to identify themselves with that group.this is part of the study of semiotics.

jws have many code words.then there are semiotics for apostates.

i'll start the lists.

sadiejive

What I found humorous was that once, when my husband and I first began studying with the witnesses, we were invited to a "get together". A lot of folks were there and, growing up in a "church", well I just always said things like "when we go to church." I said something like this while we were there and I thought one sister's eyes would come out of her head. I saw the expression and asked her if I had said something wrong. She told me, "we don't say 'church', we say 'meetings'." How stupid!!

I deliberately call it church everytime I'm in her presence now...lol.

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Bible Error: The Visit to the Tomb

by JosephAlward in

the following two accounts of the morning visit by the women to anoint jesus body are contradictory.

according to mark, the women wondered how they would remove the stone covering the tomb, but they found that it had already been rolled away.

matthew, however, says that when the women went to the tomb, there was an earthquake, and an angel came down from heaven, went to the tomb, and rolled the stone back.

sadiejive

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What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?

by gilwarrior in

what i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.

" in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.

they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!

sadiejive

Guys, I'm sorry I am hogging this post...LOL. I used to work at a video store...can you tell??

Simon,
I can't believe someone actually remembers "V". You were a kid, huh? That makes me feel really...umm....old .

Thirteenth Floor was really good....and wasn't highly rated. It made me think of a couple of really not-so-popular but GREAT sci-fi movies I saw...Dark City and Cube. Really good movies!! Also, Gretchen Moll (who stars in 13th Floor) is in another movie that was never really publicized called Music From Another Room (romantic comedy). It was really..."cute".

sadie

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What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?

by gilwarrior in

what i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.

" in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.

they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!

sadiejive

I loved the Usual Suspects. I actually have the box set including the who is Keyser Soze? pin and "the usual suspects" zippo. I know...I feel the envy !!

Another good movie that came out right about the time of the Usual Suspects and SEVEN (another awesome...but not "overlooked" movie)... was Copycat (with Siguorney Weaver, Holly Hunter, and Harry Connick Jr). Anyone see this? It is a reeaallyy great movie.

Sadie

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Biggest Mathematical Miracle in the World

by Moxy in

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oh lordy.

i dont usually post these messages i get from jw mailing lists.

but this one is pretty hilarious:.

sadiejive

I read something similar to this on another website. It's quite lengthy but well worth the read. Here are the links for anyone who would be interested in reading it. It's broken down into 7 parts and titled the Exodus Problems.

Part One: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136705.html
Part Two: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136806.html
Part Three: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136851.html
Part Four: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136957.html
Part Five: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136970.html
Part Six: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136978.html
Part Seven: http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm136984.html

Sadie

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What Is Your Favorite Overlooked Movie?

by gilwarrior in

what i am talking about a movie that you thought was great, but is mostly forgotten by most people today.. well, my favorite overlooked movie is "a perfect world.

" in it kevin costner is an escaped felon who escapes from prison with another felon.

they then break into a house and kidnap a boy who is a (gasp!

sadiejive

Real Men
I saw this movie when I was a teenager. It had John Ritter (Three's company) and James Belushi. I can't remember the entire plot but I do remember that it was hilarious. I have never met another person who has ever seen this movie.

Does anyone remember the mini-series "V"?
I loved that. Aliens visited the earth and they looked like us. Later on, we find out that they are in disguise and are actually these lizard looking creatures. I believe it later became a "soap" but didn't last very long.

Sadie