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  Abuse BOE Now At SL

  by silentlambs in

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  i now have links to the abuse boe letters.

  they are not scans of the originals but as all know they are completely authentic and accurate.

  you go to them from the "wt letters" button on the front page.. enjoy,

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  safe4kids

  Hi all,

  Bill and Maximus, thanks for the information. I've just been to the site and started reading the letters...I didn't get past the first part of the second one and I apologize for going a little off topic here but I can't help myself. I quote from the second BOE letter:

  It must be recognized that the time you can spend in helping an abuse victim is limited. Therefore, this shepherding responsibility must be balanced with your other responsibilities, which include caring for the spiritual, emotional, and material needs of your own family and assisting those in the congregation who have other problems. In some cases an incest survivor wants more attention than you can give. So some elders have found it beneficial to put boundaries, or some limits, on the time they spend.

  This steams the hell out of me!!! They set themselves up as being QUALIFIED to help survivors of abuse; they direct the R&F to come to the elders for help as a 'safe haven'; THEN THEY SAY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF HELP YOU GIVE A VICTIM!!!! Am I the only one who sees the irony here?? Particularly am I disgusted with the sentence about an incest survivor 'wanting more attention'...implying that the survivor is somehow wrong for needing a great amount of help. So easy from this letter for elders to justify their NON help and NON concern as reasonably setting limits. Jesus Christ, they disgust me. Now I know why I was treated the way that I was when I approached the elders for help. At first, they were very kind and loving...but after time progressed, I reckon they figured I needed a lesson in boundary setting; after all, I was just another incest survivor taking up too much of their time.

  Thanks for the info guys and for letting me rant.

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"
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  Sad. Very, very, sad.

  by outcast in

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  2. friends

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  http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000098

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  Ahhhh, k cygnus...I didn't read the whole thing...I couldn't get past all the dead bodies!!

  Dana
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  Sad. Very, very, sad.

  by outcast in

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  http://www.witnessesonline.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/witnessesonline/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000098

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  GEEZ this is sick!!

  I can't believe that I ever bought into the deaths of millions of people being something to actually look forward to!! Why did I never question such a teaching? I'm sitting here shaking my head with outrage and disgust flowing through me...

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"
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  No more hiding!!!

  by BugEye in

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  2. friends

  well, here is my real picture.. i have decided to stop hiding and show my real face.. i hid behind an artificial facade (data) for a long time, fearful of facing the consequences of deciding that my former beliefs were incorrect.. i made the concrete decision in march of this year that jehovahs witnesses do not have the truth and in fact that they were totally wrong.. however, since i have been inactive for 5 years and i do have some people that i care about still in the organization, i decided that i would not reveal who i was so that i did not lose my friends and family.. however, i have now decided to be who i am and my change in my picture icon represents that change.

  the consequences are still the same, and i am likely to lose most if not all of my borg friends, but that is the consequence of my decision.. no more hiding for me .

  bugeye

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  safe4kids

  Hey Bugs,

  However, I have now decided to be who I am

  Freedom is a wonderful thing, is it not?

  Best to you

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"
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  Keep God out of public affairs

  by expatbrit in

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  2. friends

  rather an interesting essay:.

  comment:keep god out of public affairs: religion will never provide a moral framework for technological change, argues the distinguished philosopher, a.c. grayling , who says the state must sever all support for all faith-based groups and events in order .

  the observer - united kingdom; aug 12, 2001. by a.c. grayling.

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  safe4kids

  Hey Expat!

  Quite interesting...and something I would have totally dismissed when a dub.

  The science-religion debate of the nineteenth century is a skirmish in comparison to what we are inviting by allowing not just religion but mutually competing religions so much presence in public space

  Hear, hear!!

  Now is the time to place religion where it belongs - in the private sphere, leaving the public domain as neutral territory where all can meet, without prejudice, as humans and equals.

  Personally, while 'competing religions' exist, I do not think it will be possible for people to come together without prejudice and as equals. I don't lay this entirely at the door of religion; however, with the rabid "I'm right!" philosophy of most religions, I do not see how it would ever be attainable. Do you think if religions were out of the picture, humans would just turn to some other divisive scheme which prevents equality?

  Dana
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  Birthday celebrations

  by Jools j in

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  2. friends

  reading thru the birthday wishes for both joel (happy birthday btw) and slayer, i was caught up in mrmoe's remark about it being good to feel no guilt anymore.. will tell us when you first ever celebrated a birthday after your jw experience and what it felt like and how did you do it?

  did you feel at all guilty or was it paradisical all the way

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  First one for us was my daughter's 5th birthday...we had a big party for her at ChuckECheese's and invited many of her friends. It was a little embarassing for me tho, as I had to ask a couple of my friends what to do!! Like, what order do we sing "Happy Birthday" and when does she open her presents..stuff like that. My best friend Misti and my niece Chelsea were a HUGE help!!! And they didn't even tease me (much!) for not knowing what to do.

  The delight in my dauther's eyes...the well wishes of her friends and mine....it was magical and no one can tell me bringing that kind of joy to a child's heart is somehow wrong.

  Freedom is a wonderful thing...

  Dana
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  Hello! We're the Apostates

  by bboyneko in

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  2. friends

  we're the apostates!

  we're a special group of colorful, round snuggly little apostates whos job it is to help you understand your own feelings and share them with others.. as you can see, we have special pictures on our tummies, and those pictures tell you the special job each of us loves to do.. .

  i'm tenderheartsimon, and it's my job to help people reach out to each other.

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  safe4kids

  bboy...Howdy! I think you're a great addition to the board; I always appreciate a good sense of humor!! Even if I was left out...hey, I figure I'm at least in good company!!

  But I wanted to tell ya...when I first saw the title of this thread, the theme song from the Monkees popped into my head! You know...Hey Hey We're Apostates! and Jdubs say we f*** em around...etc...There are sharper minds than mine that could have a field day with that one!

  Anyway, thanks for the laugh bboy (and I'll even pretend I buy that stuff about having a CareBear's book as a 'collector's' item...yeah right ;) )

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"
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  What song do you want played at your funeral?

  by ballistic in

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  what song do you want playing at your funeral?.

  i'll be having "going underground" by the jam.

  i was too far out... and not waving but drowning - stevie smith

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  safe4kids

  Hard to pick just one....

  "Theme from a Summer Place" Percy Faith & his orchestra or maybe
  "Living Years" by Mike and the Mechanics...

  naaaaahhhhh, those would make folks cry...

  how 'bout "Shine" by Vanessa Amorosi:

  "Grow up and make the best of what you've got, of what you've got, of what you've got...
  The days are going by and you're sittin on your ass and you're wonderin why, why, why....

  You can give your life,
  You can lose your soul,
  You can bang your head or
  you can drown in a hole...
  Nothing lasts forever but you can try..
  look around you, everyone you see, everyone you know is gonna ... Shine"

  MrMoe...I love that song!!! Thanks for recalling it to mind for me; it's beautiful and I'm glad that it holds memories of your mother for you, even if they are so bittersweet.

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"
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  When and where baptized

  by drahcir yarrum in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i thought it might be interesting to see how many here remember where and when they were baptised into the borg.

  for some the memory may be too painful, but i'm curious.. me.

  it was 1966 in vancouver, bc.

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  safe4kids

  Summer of '79 in Lakeland Florida...I was about 2 months shy of turning 14 years old. I remember feeling that I had finally done something I could be proud of and afterwards, I worked in the concession stand with wet hair so I got lots of congratulations! I also remember an elder coming on to me in the little stock room next to the concession stand and being appalled that an 'elder' would talk to me that way. Weird to think of it now, after all these years.

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"
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  This is for those of you who asked for my exp...

  by MrMoe 2 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  it's long, so take a deep breath!.

  ok, this is for those of you who wanted my life experience as a jw, so here goes.. i was born to a beautiful woman/mother who was abandoned by my biological father.

  my mother was raised as a jw and left in her teen years and turned to the baptist church as an adult.

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  safe4kids

  MrMoe2,

  (((hugs))) to you and thank you for sharing your story with us. My heart goes out to you for all of the losses and suffering that you've endured in your life.

  Words fail me at the moment; please just know that your story touched me deeply.

  Dana

  "I undid his head collar and took him outside for a drink, and felt, if not exactly a communion with him, at least an awareness of being a fellow creature on a lonely planet."

  Dick Francis in "To The Hilt"