I was amazed at your story of getting your dear wife mentally out of the cult Eden. How you did it and suggestions for others in the same position would be of great benefit to many people coming here for help. In life we always come across a few people with enormous egos but I find for the most part it's better to avoid them. I hope you decide to stay but have a great life anyway, whatever you decide.
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Farewell
by EdenOne in"don't be dismayed by good-byes.
a farewell is necessary before you can meet again.
and meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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This is a very important observation and a good reminder to keep in mind.
And while it might explain such behavior, it certainly does not justify it.
So with this in mind, what strategies can we use to "talk them down off the ledge" of their cult-indoctrination and the consequences of waking up and realizing they've been duped, (a process most, if not all, of us here had to go through).Oubliette they are not suicidal. I vividly remember the day my husband and I were reading a newspaper and I looked up and said, it was just another religion wasn't it? He said, yes I think it was. This was two years after leaving.
We read and studied, I did an IT course at a local college to help me get a job. I mixed with normal people and got my mind working, later I did a degree. So did my husband. What I'm saying is it's a long journey, people find their own way. We don't have to save them.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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I don't personally agree with it but I think it's because a person's identity, their belief about the purpose of life and their view on life after death are usually tied up with their religion. -me
If they choose to bring it up for discussion, how tied up and invested in that ideas falls under the category of "You should have about that before you decided to bring the topic up, theist." - Viviane
Yeah I agree but that presupposes the average person has a clue that what they believe affects them on such a deep level. When they join a thread on here sometimes they've just left or are trying to leave a cult that has twisted their mind in knots since babyhood. I speak from experience. Have a good flight Viv.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Oubliette, in the UK there is a saying never discuss religion or politics. I don't personally agree with it but I think it's because a person's identity, their belief about the purpose of life and their view on life after death are usually tied up with their religion.
I think it's a wonder we can discuss religion at all on here given we are such a diverse group of people. Religion gets to people 'where they live' so it's bound to be tough going. I think this thread has just run its course and it's time to end it now IMHO.
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How have you felt since you learned TTATT?
by tornapart init's been 4 years since it happened to me.
an almost overnight experience.
i read ray franz coc in 3 days and that was it.
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How do you live with the fact you've allowed yourself to be duped despite the fact you know you have a certain amount of intelligence?
Tell congregations education is bad for you and is only for arrogant people who want to make you feel small (knowledge puffs up). That universities are full of people having sex in the corridors.
That all books apart from those written by the WTS are filled with satanic nonsense that will lead to your everlasting death. Tell them the TV is a one-eyed demon in the corner of your living room so you are even afraid of documentaries.
No wonder we were ignorant. It was by design. Deliberate indoctrination to make even the intelligent fear knowledge and higher education. I see the methods they used on me so I don't feel I was stupid, just lacking in education and life experience.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Cofty I agree. Some things leave me speechless. I like to conserve pixels for good causes. -
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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Heroes
by done4good inin jw land having such was verboten.
who are some of yours and why?.
1. nikola tesla - greatest inventor ever, and the only one i know of who was a true scientist as well.. 2. elon musk - there is a reason he chose the great inventor's name for his masterpiece work...also has a serious pair.... 3. jim morrison - brilliant and mad poet.. 4. mike krzyzewski - the epitome of success.. 5. maya angelou - brilliant humanistic poet and writer.. 6. albert einstein - do i actually have to qualify this?.
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prologos7 hours agoXanthippe Marie Curie 2. Emily Hobhouse 3.Lady Mary Montagu Eglantyne Jebb--
I've not heard that expression before Prologos. Hero is either male or gender-neutral surely. Well I've learnt something. Yes it's strange isn't it that Save the Children is part of the Disasters Emergency Committee in the UK and always on the ground where there is a war zone or human suffering but no one knows Eglantyne Jebb's name.
these are not Heroes,-- Sheroes.The same with Mary Montagu, her enthusiasm and influence as an ambassador's wife which got the royal family interested in inoculation added to the effort to eradicate smallpox. Seems sad that no one has heard of her either but only of Edward Jenner.
As for Emily Hobhouse I'm not surprised that she's been swept under the carpet. Who knew the British invented concentration camps. Shameful.
Who says history hasn't been edited eh?
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by done4good inin jw land having such was verboten.
who are some of yours and why?.
1. nikola tesla - greatest inventor ever, and the only one i know of who was a true scientist as well.. 2. elon musk - there is a reason he chose the great inventor's name for his masterpiece work...also has a serious pair.... 3. jim morrison - brilliant and mad poet.. 4. mike krzyzewski - the epitome of success.. 5. maya angelou - brilliant humanistic poet and writer.. 6. albert einstein - do i actually have to qualify this?.
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Too often individuals do something noteworthy but then start banging their own drum in attention getting behavior that to my mind detracts from the great good they do.
Yes this is often true. The ones who do the most for us we can't remember their names. There's a guy who makes artificial limbs for ex-service men and women plus civilians who have lost limbs from land mines. He recycles plastic bottles to make the limbs. Amazing guy, saw a documentary about him, but nobody knows his name.
There's another guy who invented a syringe that collapses after one use so that in under developed countries where people used to steal the syringes from medic's sharps bins for drug use they can no longer use them. It is helping prevent the spread of AIDS through sharing syringes. Again I don't remember his name.
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On respect for the belief of others. Sorry for the long post
by StarTrekAngel ini am inclined to start this thread in response to some comments made in other threads.
i have been coming around these forum for quite some time now so whatever you find in here is not just related to something someone may have said this week.
it can go months back as well.. i have seen many who claim to respect the belief of others but when it comes down to applying it into practice, things take a whole different tune.
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StarTekAngel I like your OP. I think it's natural for people to get annoyed and frustrated at beliefs that are very similar to the beliefs that ruined their lives. Who wouldn't!
It's the debaters that bore me, playing word games rather than engaging with the content of posts but I think it might be because everyone has their 'subject' don't they?
Whether it's biology, physics, computing, theology. They are well versed in that subject but if someone introduces something they don't know about they can resort to less than respectful tactics to divert attention from their lack of knowledge.
I like all your analogies about real life because although this is a forum where people often debate religion it's also where people come to in recovery from a cult. These are real life experiences that these people are bringing, with huge amounts of pain. I wouldn't want them to be put off this place of refuge from the cult. I think it's probably a good idea to keep beliefs to yourself however, if you can't prove them. Why cause yourself the stress of ridicule.
As for those who ridicule beliefs, as I said it's totally understandable given what beliefs have done to all our lives.
Personally I don't ridicule but I don't accept anything that anyone says at face value.