Posts by Xanthippe

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2 Gallons of Coffee

by Solzhenitsyn in

that is how much coffee me and another elder went through as we camped out all night until 7 a.m. outside the home where suspected jw fornicators we're staying.

little did i know what a powerful contrast that would prove to be when as an elder i was faced with another case involving the allegation of severe child sexual abuse.

we disfellowshipped the couple based completely on circumstantial evidence of sexual wrongdoing because they simply "stayed the entire night".

When I began to doubt the 'truth' I did something totally out of character, I looked for my husband's elders book while he was out. When I found it this was the page that astounded me, elders being told to camp outside a person's house all night if they suspected someone of adultery or fornication.

Talk about spiritual policemen! This was another nail in the coffin of that religion for me. No proof of wrongdoing just people staying in the same house, but the lengths they insisted elders go to, to get people disfellowshipped. All done out of love of course!

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Those that need to see a Therapist / and those that don`t is there a correlation of the two ?

by smiddy3 in

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friends

there have been a number of threads / posts here over the years about ex jw`s needing to see therapists for what they are going through , and i can appreciate that.. obviously there are many ex jw`s on here that haven`t ever felt the need to see a therapist ,and i`m just wondering why not ?.

why does one feel the need and another does not ?.

is it to do with born ins as against those who were converts ?

Xanthippe

nope--never needed that sort of help. but then I never believed in god
and all that crap anyway.
Stan that's actually very helpful because I've always suspected many JWs don't believe in God. If you really don't have any faith to be torn apart by discovering you've been raised in a cult then why would you need help?

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Those that need to see a Therapist / and those that don`t is there a correlation of the two ?

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

there have been a number of threads / posts here over the years about ex jw`s needing to see therapists for what they are going through , and i can appreciate that.. obviously there are many ex jw`s on here that haven`t ever felt the need to see a therapist ,and i`m just wondering why not ?.

why does one feel the need and another does not ?.

is it to do with born ins as against those who were converts ?

Xanthippe

A lot of older people like yourself don't want to see a therapist smiddy. Stiff upper lip and all that. I've spoken to three counsellors since leaving the cult because it's not good to bottle things up and I needed someone neutral to talk to, simple as that.

When my husband died my parents in law refused therapy. They just carried on the way they always have, her with her OCD, cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. Him with his depression alternating with narcissism. Yeah, they were fine, they didn't need any silly talking therapy.

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Anybody been to the therapist to talk about the Jdub stuff? What did they think of it?

by nowawake14 in

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friends

what was their view of jdub rules?.

what was their view on the dfing thing?.

did they get pissed and think it was a cult?.

Xanthippe

I've spoken to three counsellors but I was only lucky with one of them, her relatives were JWs. She said when they all visited her mother in law her children were made to play in a different room from the JW kids because they were considered bad associations! You have to keep looking if the counsellor doesn't have the right knowledge or experience.

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Do any of you born into the cult feel like your mental growth was stunted?

by rockemsockem in

being born in to me was devastating.

when you are a child born in and raised with the they vs us and they are evil and worldly and going to die.

not allowed to form relationships with anyone not one of you.

Xanthippe

The relationship thing was a problem I agree. Having raised my daughter away from the cult and watched her attitude to people I saw she was much more accepting of people than I was.

It can leave you feeling weird and odd but I decided to fight it. Volunteering for a mental health charity, making friends through meetup groups, doing a degree course all taught me that there's lots of reasons for feeling weird and for having a bad start in life. Many people have been stunted mentally and have ongoing mental health problems and low self esteem for all sorts of reasons.

Although I will say this, my daughter is twenty-four now and she has lots of friends she made as school and university. Sometimes they have those chats over wine (well shots I think) where they talk about weird family. I say to her everyone has weird relatives. She says when she describes her JW relatives (my family) and her ex-JW relatives, my husband's family, they all chorus 'you win, they're the weirdest people we've ever heard about'. 😂

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loneliness.

by zeb in

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friends

"loneliness is to endure the presence of one who does not understand."--hubbard..

and,.

"loneliness is to be in close propinquity of someone who has ceased to communicate"- germaine greer.. any others..?.

Xanthippe

'Forget sex or politics or religion, loneliness is the subject that clears out a room'. -

Douglas Coupland

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Share the meal

by Diogenesister in

watchtower belonged to the un and yet i guarantee they offered no help to the needy .

theres an app you can download onto your phone called.

share the meal.

Xanthippe

Great idea Diogenesister! I give to UNICEF every month by direct debit. It's only about £4 but it's what they need, regular money so they can help hungry and sick children. They also have a fantastic immunisation program, with workers sometimes walking into mountainous and far flung places with syringes in packs on their backs! Brilliant organisation.

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Subliminal Messaging

by truthlover123 in

for over 20 years subliminal pictures showed up in most books, wt, and awakes- eighties, nineties and into 2000's.... demons, gods, you name it-- .

question: is anyone seeing anything like this in todays publications?

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Xanthippe

Xanthippe - There is something there. But what the intent is - joke by a bored artist - revenge by a pimo artist - the king of Evil known as the WT - shrugs.

Yeah it is difficult to know what the motive might be. If it is a PIMO what are they trying to achieve?

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Subliminal Messaging

by truthlover123 in

for over 20 years subliminal pictures showed up in most books, wt, and awakes- eighties, nineties and into 2000's.... demons, gods, you name it-- .

question: is anyone seeing anything like this in todays publications?

.

Xanthippe

Irrefutable eh Benny? Yeah well nobody can refute it if you don't say what it is so I guess you're right

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Subliminal Messaging

by truthlover123 in

for over 20 years subliminal pictures showed up in most books, wt, and awakes- eighties, nineties and into 2000's.... demons, gods, you name it-- .

question: is anyone seeing anything like this in todays publications?

.

Xanthippe

So what ďo you see Benny? I can see a watercolour painted background, maybe wet on wet technique. It produces splodges like that. What do you see?