I've no idea what you're talking about , Still. I wasn't talking about demons, what are you talking about?
Xanthippe
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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Are you talking to me WMF. What did I do there? I meant every word literally!???
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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I'd like to point out that i know some scary shit happens and some things are difficult to explain, but to resist seeking rational explanations in favour of the supernatural is a very limiting behaviour. MOST things can be explained, some though are very puzzling and appear to defy explanation. All that means is that the real explanation hasnt been found, not that it cant be found. -WMF
Yes I totally agree WMF. There is nothing supernatural, there are only natural things that we don't yet understand. Like trying to explain electricity to an ancient Egyptian.
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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we don't always see what we think we see.
Nobody is disputing that ,Still, but we sometimes experience things we don't understand and can't explain and we would like to share them with other human beings especially as experience is subjective. For example I didn't see the pink dots disappear, they stayed and I started to see a green circle of dots as well ... but I can't prove it Interesting though.
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Who has experienced a REAL demonic incident?
by Monsieur inhas anybody here experienced a bonafide, real, true incident in whicy 'demons' actually interacted with you or did something 'supernatural' that left you convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that satan and his demons exist??.
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I agree Gromit this thread is about discussing experiences. If people have odd experiences that they can't explain what is wrong with talking about them? Jumping to conclusions as you say is inconstructive and not likely to lead to positive results in a discussion.
Some of these reactions reminded me of when I left the JWs and eventually after some years started to look into Humanism. My husband and I sent off for some information from the Humanist Society. We were interested because we were moving away from a belief in God and we liked the idea of shifting our focus to human acheivements and on to the idea that humans are great and not rubbish and sinful. However when the info arrived it started with, we do not believe in anything paranormal, we do not believe in life after death etc. We thought blimey this sounds like a religious catechism.
We were put off straight away. We'd had quite enough of being told what to believe. We just wanted to look at ideas and explore all the thoughts we were never allowed to think for thirty years or so. Some people on here just want to brainstorm, throw stuff in without immediate replies of well that's rubbish because you can't prove it!
I don't believe in demons but why can't people be allowed to tell odd experiences without being insulted? Which is breaking posting guideline #1, by the way.
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The Quiet One, thanks for this thread. It is really useful for people who have left the JWs to hear how other people have continued on their way after leaving, growing and changing. I would love to hear some more stories of people's thought processes after they left and how they, like myself moved from Jw to Christian, to agnostic, to atheist. It is a long and sometimes painful process and we can really be supportive on a thread like this.
I just hope it isn't going to become another atheist versus believer thread because we have had so many of those and they are so very boring.
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"Something amusing to get you reading my post"
by frogonmytoe ini have been reading threads on here for months, having not been to a meeting in about 3 years, and spending the year prior to that avoiding them.
considering i am gay and now live with my boyfriend, i think we can consider me officially drifted, or fallen away, or whatever semantic nonsense the wts uses for specifying the manner of our waking up.
anyway, i thought it about time i said hello and hopefully make some new friends with whom i can talk about things.
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Welcome frogonmytoe. I am from the UK midlands, Leicestershire. If you are a typical Londoner you will know that is somewhere north of Watford
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16 years ago today I got baptized
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i just looked at the calendar and realized its the 16 year anniversary of my baptism into the cult.. .
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Well done you, you broke free, have some fun!
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The Small Quiet Voice
by Satanus indo you hear it?
not talking about voices.
i'm talking about that little niggling thing, on the side.
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Satanus this is so important for those of us who had such ordered lives in the WTS. We do need to listen to ourselves and find out what we really need, perhaps for the first time ever. Stop listening to others and feel what we really need and know that we are not being selfish but we are healing ourselves. That this will be good for us and also for everyone we love.
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The same problem that Charles Darwin (who was a religious man to begin with) had with Ichneumonidae. This is a wasp species that lays its eggs inside the larva of another creature and the wasp larva when hatched eats the host larva alive. He wrote about it and said there was too much misery in the world. Nature seemed cruel to Darwin but of course nature is just nature, 'red in tooth and claw' as Tennyson wrote around the same time. Poisonous snakes, spiders and scorpions that kill many humans each year. What was God thinking creating these, did he have an off day!
Human cruelty without interference from this so-called loving god. Where is he? The 'free-will defence' of Christian tradition is that God could not allow humans to have free-will without the possibility that they would do evil things. This doesn't wash with me because any divine being would know that there is little free- will for people who are suffering under authoritarian regimes. In these circumstances the free-will of a few dictators destroys the free-will of others.
This does not account for natural disasters which even insurance companies still call acts of God. Disease takes many lives every year including those of children.
The religious arguments to answer these questions seem convoluted to me now. Occam's razor shows that we should proceed to simpler theories first until a greater explanation is needed. Therefore to give log-winded explanations which involve Adam and Eve, talking serpents, a man being tortured to death on a cross is multiplying entities beyond necessity according to Occam. In other words adding more and more theories to explain the apparent discrepancies in nature that a belief in God causes. To me the obvious answer became the simpler one, that nobody is in charge.
The only thing that solves all these problems for me is that nature is not cruel it is simply not guided by an omniscient intelligence. Evolution is blind and seemingly cruel in that it preserves the species rather than the individual. We got here by accident and people suffer from genetic errors or diseases in their bodies because these bodies evolved, as did viruses and bacteria. There is no perfection in evolution, only gradual adaptation. There are earthquakes and volcanic eruptions because our universe and this planet came into existence through natural forces and movements of tectonic plates is continual. Humans suffer at the hands of other humans because we are apes and apes are sometimes aggressive and violent. They are also intelligent, resourceful and they cooperate which gives me great hope for this beautiful world.