Posts by Xanthippe

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Once bitten, twice shy

by UnshackleTheChains in

ok. having experienced the jdubs over 27 years.

i have come to the conclusion that sincere people have been 'conned' into the troof, into a 'system' of beliefs that immerses them into an organisation that holds them captive ie no honourble way out without being shunned by friends and family.. having gone through this horrible experience, many are afraid to join another christian group.

it's a bit like someone who trusted someone most of their life only to find that person was a devious lying individual.

Xanthippe

As someone who firmly believes in God and Christ, I am now cautious. I love God's word, I love God, I love the Messiah.......but am extra careful who and what I believe.
Is this something you personally feel?

No not now but a year after leaving the cult I did feel like that. As it's a year since you've joined the forum am I to assume you're about a year out of the cult? All I can say is honour where you are now but also question everything.

Once bitten is twice shy so don't just jump into another church. Ask yourself, is the Bible the word of God? What about all the other holy books? Would I be a Hindu if I'd been born in Delhi? What about evolution, what's that all about? Keep asking questions. Good luck.

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Disfellowshipped/disassociated – How did your parents handle it?

by Richard_I in

to those who were disfellowshipped/disassociated – how did your still-in parents handle it?.

i don’t want to fade, so i am thinking about disassociating soon – i don’t care if i’m playing by the org’s rules, i just want out.. however, i am concerned about how my parents will react.

i don’t want them to become super depressed or whatever due to me leaving the org.. i don’t want them to be hurt by my decision to leave the org, but i feel like there is no way of avoiding this..

Xanthippe

My mother was very depressed about me DAing but then my mother was depressed her whole life. Nothing I said or did ever helped her. She wouldn't get professional help. She reacted by shunning me and having nothing to do with the child I had six years later. My daughter could have brought her so much joy. She was dying in hospital the only time she asked after my daughter, who wasn't there, she was at a birthday party.

So be aware if you DA your JW parents may shun you until they die. Sorry to be so blunt but it needs some serious thought. For me there was no choice.

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Michael and Allice Kramer. Dose anyone know about him.

by joe134cd in

i heard this information 3rd hand, so i'm just after confirmation.

mike kramer, a little short guy.

was a bethel heavy and a company man through and through.

Xanthippe

Well liked and they shipped him to the Congo? Didn't like him that much then! He must have stepped on somebody's toes!

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Cult words

by Great Cook in

if there is any english literature teacher on this forum ...can he or she analyze those words of this song ?.

radicalization is going on ... and people sing without any reaction at the meetings...they are so brainwashed.... song 50.

1. take my heart and may it love.

Xanthippe

Wow there it is right there. Take my body, my heart, my money and my life. Definition of a cult.

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Clearly, undeniably, without doubt ... is there a term for introducing a thought in such a way.

by jwfacts in

watchtower article often introduce a point that has no merit with words such a "undeniably.".

for instance the watchtower 2014 august 15 page 10 says:.

"jehovah undeniably blesses the preaching work of christian women and supports them in times of trial.

Xanthippe

Yes I would have gone for weasel words too but wiki says that weasel words are a type of tergiversate word. It's a new one on me.

Verb

tergiversate (third-person singular simple present tergiversates, present participle tergiversating, simple past and past participletergiversated)

(intransitive) To evade, to equivocate using subterfuge; to obfuscate in a deliberate manner.
- 1999, Philip McCutchan and Werner Levi, The Hoof, ↑ISBN, page 18:
  The officials soon concluded that the easiest way to remain on good terms with the court was to elude responsibility, to tergiversate, to prevent results.

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Sincere question to those who no longer believe in God

by nowwhat? in

i get it, not a fan of yahweh the desert god.

but what about jesus?

anything wrong with his teachings like the sermon on the mount and the example he set.

Xanthippe

Happy are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. A good teaching? You have to be strong not meek in this world. Turn the other cheek? Well aside from the fact nobody has a clue what this really means, allowing people to walk all over you as it is sometimes interpreted is stupid. I lived by this creed of be kind, meek, gentle and I did it on the planet of the apes for thirty years. Beaten to a pulp mate. Sheer stupidity.

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Sincere question to those who no longer believe in God

by nowwhat? in

i get it, not a fan of yahweh the desert god.

but what about jesus?

anything wrong with his teachings like the sermon on the mount and the example he set.

Xanthippe

Happy are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. A good teaching? You have to be strong not meek in this world. Turn the other cheek? Well aside from the fact nobody has a clue what this really means, allowing people to walk all over you as it is sometimes interpreted is stupid. I lived by this creed of be kind, meek, gentle and I did it on the planet of the apes for thirty years. Beaten to a pulp mate. Sheer stupidity.

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Thanks

by Akid48 in

hey its me if any one remembers me,i just wanted to post saying that ive been doing well.right now im just trying to live life and have some fun while im still a kid.it still sucks to have to go to meetings etc.. like the title i wanted to say thanks for the people that helped me when i was posting a lot.i might post some times but not as much as i used to..

Xanthippe

Glad you're doing well and managing to have some fun while keeping your parents happy with cult stuff. Hang in there you'll soon be old enough to leave home. Make your plans to be financially independent as soon as you can.

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Russia Uses Nerve Agent to Assassinate Spy

by cofty in

what started as news of a man and woman being found unconscious on a park bench 12 days ago is escalating into an international incident.. sergei skripal had worked as a double agent for british intelligence mi6 before he was discovered and imprisoned in russia in 2006. he was later flown to england as part of a spy-swap in 2010. on sunday 4th march he was discovered along with his 33 year old daughter yulia close to a shopping centre in salisbury.. since then the story has become increasingly bizarre.

a policeman who was first to attend the scene also became critically ill and remains in hospital.

government scientists at porton down have confirmed that the cause is a russian military-grade nerve agent novichok.

Xanthippe

Well yes Putin is a monster responsible for human rights abuses but this hasn't been a problem for our government before, take the Saudi regime for example.