Posts by krejames

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Hello

by newdawnfades in

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i am a long time lurker who has finally decided to post.

i am still in along with my wife, kids and extended family.

i am in my 40s and was raised in the org.

If 1914 is wrong then how is it that it was such a landmark year?

by awakening in

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this is the question that came up in my mind.

now dont get me wrong i know the dates from 607 - 1914 are rubbish, but how would you explain to a witness when they will automatically say, look at the momentus year 1914 was.

that is evidence enough that 607 is correct!.

krejames

Before 1914 they thought the Napoleonic Wars signified the start of the end times. Even charles taze believed this (just reading "A People For His Name", which states this. Interesting stuff.)

(EDIT - "They": various religious figures, not JWs obviously)

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Believing that god arranges for £50 to be put through your letterbox while he ignores the cries of abused children

by jambon1 in

we've all heard these experiences.. in fact, jehovah's witnesses are obsessed with them.

the pioneer who needed 80 to fix their car & somehow (without having told anyone .

now, if you believe that these sort of experiences are true, you are basically saying that god is actively arranging help for someone who is in need.

krejames

Good thread. Thanks.

Also PUnkOfNice that's a powerful image/photo message. I'll use that.

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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

by Change Name in

hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

To think that the elders in my congregation refused an invitation from my local council to speak about JW beliefs in order to help staff understand religious diversity within the districts. Why? Because there would be speakers from other religions there too and they didnt want to be involved in "interfaith" lol. Completely missed a trick theree as it had nothing to do with interfaith. Perhaps if they had known about the NGO thing they might have thought about it. lol

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The ten most embarrassing scriptures for Jehovah's Witnesses

by slimboyfat in

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1. mark 7:15 "there is nothing from outside a man that passes into him that can defile him; but the things that issue forth out of a man are the things that defile a man.. so how can eating black pudding or having a blood transfusion be a sin?.

2. roman 14:5 one [man] judges one day as above another; another [man] judges one day as others; let each one be convinced in his own mind.

so how come they say birthdays and festivals are a sin?.

krejames

I remember going on the doors with a presentation from the KM based on James 1:13 to prove that Jehovah didnt cause bad things to happen. The householder was a baptist and proceeded to point out that that scripture was talking about temptation and that, besides, there were many biblical examples of god punishing people with bad events. That shut me up. I went home and checked my other bible translations and sure enough - definitely about temptation not natural disasters and the "trials of life" etc.

Another one is James 5:16 used in every JC but clearly talking about healing illnesses - not judicial matters.

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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White

by VM44 in

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"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.

http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.

krejames

Thanks ProblemAddict :)

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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

by Change Name in

hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

krejames

Is there a copy of the letter to the BOEs available to verify they were asked to lie?

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A recent discussion that had me stumped!

by Terry in

okay--first off, i wasn't involved in the following conversation; i was eavesdropping!.

you know how it is when you happen to be in a public place.

you are minding your own business until you're not minding your own business.

krejames

If one was to take the bible as sole authority, there would be no problem with pedophilia since it doesnt condemn it. Not so for "men who lie with men". Where's the logic in that?!

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Book - "A People for His Name" by Timothy White

by VM44 in

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"a people for his name" by timothy white is an early, but still excellent, book about the history of the jws.. here is a page containing portions from the book.

http://members.fortunecity.com/peopleforhisname/peopleforhisname.htm.

krejames

Thanks fir this heads up - just ordered my copy.Also came across Penton's JWs and the Third Reich. would love to hear from anyone who has read it to let me know if its objective and worth investing in (maybe PM me to save hijacking this thread. Thanks! :))

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How many former Jehovah's Witnesses bury their head in the sand when it comes to reasoning about the NGO "conspiracy"?

by Change Name in

hi all - sure sure, you can call me a troll or brainwashed cult member.

i am totally interested in how your answers to these questions.. .

do you find yourself ignoring anything that jehovah's witnesses bring out in regards to their former status as an ngo?.

krejames

Change Name -

look at Amelia's response - do you think you might have made mistake in your assumption of the differences between NGO's?

In any case did you completely miss the point of Witness My Fury's post? A cleaner employed by a casino wouldn't need to agree with the aims of their employer, but it would still be considered a gross sin. Now think about that in the context of NGOs

For me it was never really the issue about the type of NGO. If they had signed up to say they wanted a seat in the Council and then realised the error of their ways I would have overlooked this if they had just come right out and said to EVERYONE associated with them "we made a mistake - it was wrong, we did it, but we're repentant" (i.e. exactly what a sinner would need to say to a JC).

But who among JWs knows about this whole issue?

I asked my best JW friend whether she knew about it a few weeks ago. She didn't. Then the other day she admitted it had totally shaken her up but the bottom line is that she "knows it's the truth". She didn't say how she knows it's the truth and I didn't ask her as it's between her and Jehovah I guess. I suspect you have the same reasoning.

The bottom line for me is that a little transparency goes a long way to build trust. Unfortunately the religion we are associated with is anything but transparent but will be quick to make excuses when caught out. Compare that with how a JC would expect to see works that befit repentance from someone accused of a gross sin.