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  Diligence and Enthusiasm - LDS vs JWs

  by Rivergang in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a scale of 1 to 100, i would put the lds in the high 90s, and the witnesses at about minus 10.. these days (well, around here at least) one encounters the mormon missionaries all over the place.

  if they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street.

  of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!.

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  many other developed countries

  I thought we were here talking about the situation in "developed countries" - not the overall world growth in the respective religions?
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  Diligence and Enthusiasm - LDS vs JWs

  by Rivergang in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a scale of 1 to 100, i would put the lds in the high 90s, and the witnesses at about minus 10.. these days (well, around here at least) one encounters the mormon missionaries all over the place.

  if they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street.

  of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!.

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  Oh l don't know where you live but here in Tamworth l haven't seen any Mormons for ages.

  It sounds like they must have all moved into my neighbourhood, then!

  Seriously, here in the south-western part of the Brisbane metropolitan area, (Queensland, Australia) the LDS is very active.

  Never mind that "only a small fraction of the Mormons preach". This same pair of young men are at it constantly - all day and every day. None of this meeting "for service", knocking on a few doors, then sloping off to Starbucks to complete the morning's "service". Those two are still to be seen working the streets very late in the afternoon. Unlike the JWs, too, the LDS guys will go out of their way to approach people out in the street; whereas I have so often seen the JWs walk right past you in the street, only to go up to your door house, where nobody is at home.

  I have lost count of the number of times over the last three months that I have encountered this same pair of Mormon missionaries - either at my door or out in the street.

  JWs have steady numbers or are increasingly slightly, in particular among immigrant communities.

  But at no greater rate than that of the population in general. Hardly a great achievement! As Raymond Franz in Crisis of Conscience noted, the so-called "Preaching Work" of the Jehovahs Witnesses is hardly an effective one.

  Eight million JWs claim to be preaching, yet are outshone by only 100 000 Mormons.

  This does not say much for the Jehovahs Witnesses. In fact, the term "Blunt Instrument" appears to be a most accurate description of their much vaunted "Preaching of the Good News".
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  Diligence and Enthusiasm - LDS vs JWs

  by Rivergang in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  on a scale of 1 to 100, i would put the lds in the high 90s, and the witnesses at about minus 10.. these days (well, around here at least) one encounters the mormon missionaries all over the place.

  if they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street.

  of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!.

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  On a scale of 1 to 100, I would put the LDS in the high 90s, and the Witnesses at about minus 10.

  These days (well, around here at least) one encounters the Mormon missionaries all over the place. If they are not knocking at your door, they are approaching you out in the street. Of late, this has been happening all the bloody time!

  By contrast, I cannot remember the last time the JWs came door-knocking around our district. It was certainly well before the pandemic. The most we see of them is when they occasionally set-up an apathy cart a literature stand at the local shopping centre.

  Say what you will about the Church of the Latter Days Saints, but you would have to credit them for their zeal. (Something the JWs appear to have discarded many years ago)
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  The Share of Religious Americans will continue to decline- New York Times. Why? New Pew Study

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  locally, in northern california i have seen/heard a drop in jw and mainstream church attendance especially in person attendance.

  (exception: a new creepy local new-age charismatic/pentecostal group: "bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).. for me this paragraph sums it up regarding jehovah's witnesses: " ...smith described organized religion to me as having become a “polluted” idea in the american mainstream, because of the publicity around sex abuse scandals and financial malfeasance in many different faiths in the ’80s and ’90s as millennials came of age.

  “the scandals violated most of the virtues believed to make religion good,” smith wrote.

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  The growth has been in those who seem uninterested in religion (19%). They don't identify as atheist or agnostic, but they no longer associate with any particular church.

  Down in this part of the world, persons such as these were often described as "Bush Baptists". (That used to be my situation, until I met up with the Rev. Harley Davidson!)
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  Did Watchtower Really Teach That Armageddon Was Coming in 1954?

  by Jerome56 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the march 2025 jw broadcast david splane in his morning worship talk mentioned that "some thought" that armageddon would come 40 years after 1914. such statements are usually meant to shift the blame of their own false predictions on to their members for speculating.

  however, i was unable to find anything in print showing that such a thing was indeed taught by the society.

  was this really a thing?.

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  I have heard anecdotal evidence that this view was once commonly held.

  For example, one family who began a "Free home bible study" with the JWs in 1953 were told "Why don't you 'come into The Truth' for the sake of six months".
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  The Share of Religious Americans will continue to decline- New York Times. Why? New Pew Study

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  locally, in northern california i have seen/heard a drop in jw and mainstream church attendance especially in person attendance.

  (exception: a new creepy local new-age charismatic/pentecostal group: "bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).. for me this paragraph sums it up regarding jehovah's witnesses: " ...smith described organized religion to me as having become a “polluted” idea in the american mainstream, because of the publicity around sex abuse scandals and financial malfeasance in many different faiths in the ’80s and ’90s as millennials came of age.

  “the scandals violated most of the virtues believed to make religion good,” smith wrote.

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  Sea Breeze,

  That has got more to do with fertility rates than anything else

  The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050 | Pew Research Center

  Islam is by far the fastest growing religion in the world, simply because Muslims out-breed everybody else by a long shot! (Assisted, too, by the fact than in at least 13 of the world's countries, it is a capital crime to be an atheist).
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  The Share of Religious Americans will continue to decline- New York Times. Why? New Pew Study

  by Balaamsass2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  locally, in northern california i have seen/heard a drop in jw and mainstream church attendance especially in person attendance.

  (exception: a new creepy local new-age charismatic/pentecostal group: "bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).. for me this paragraph sums it up regarding jehovah's witnesses: " ...smith described organized religion to me as having become a “polluted” idea in the american mainstream, because of the publicity around sex abuse scandals and financial malfeasance in many different faiths in the ’80s and ’90s as millennials came of age.

  “the scandals violated most of the virtues believed to make religion good,” smith wrote.

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  "Bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(Kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, Trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).

  Crikey!

  Upon reflection, I think I will stay on as a paid-up member of the Reverend Harley Davidson's Church of the Righteous Hog!
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  Did you have a written schedule?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the wts encouraged us to have one, i alway found it funny when people would desplay it where everyone could see it to show how busy they are in the lords work.. karter..

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  the one skill I benefitted by from JW "training" was public speaking in front of a crowd.

  I know there are many around who disparage the "Theocratic Ministry School", but it did work for well enough for me. As a young person, I was plagued by a terrible shyness, but the Ministry School helped me overcome that. (It did, though, prove to be a bloody expensive course in public speaking!)
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  Is Jesus a Created Being? Debate with a Pastor

  by raymond frantz in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  https://youtu.be/ro6q_osgkns?si=hyxualluhruwvjnb.

  —colossians 1:15 from the nwt says it plain as day: “he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation.” that’s not vague; it’s got a punch.

  “firstborn” and “creation” sit side by side, and in greek, that second word is “ktisis,” which means the physical stuff—trees, stars, you name it.

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  sloppyjoe2,

  Precisely!

  This is a stoush which has been raging for over 1500 years, and unlikely to be ended anytime soon.
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  In the past 24 hours, the world has been breaking into fragments. What will be the Outcome??

  by liam in

  1. social
  2. current

  new german chancellor merz has won the election.

  trump congratulated his victory but the response was not what trump expected.

  merz condemned america, saying that america seemed to be aligning with russia.. he also expressed doubts about nato’s future.. he is now advocating that germany must gain independence from usa.

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  There is one thing for sure: when Trump speaks of putting America first, he is doing so honestly and unapologetically.

  Then it sounds like he has been studying the foreign policy methods of former French President, Charles De Gaulle. Whenever he was engaged in diplomacy, De Gaulle's approach was brutally simple, and able to be summed up in a single phrase:

  "I'm all-right Jack, £µ€₭ you!"

  (A stance the Royal Navy used to refer to as "belonging to the Jack Club").