Posts by Rivergang

80

Tennis Controversy in Australia

by smiddy3 in

apr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.

he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.

asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.

Rivergang

Vidqun,

Did you actually read that article which you posted from Science magazine?

The conclusion which that team of researchers reached is quite different from yours, as is shown by their summary (Quoted below in full, but with italics added).

While noting that the COVID-19 vaccines were less effective at preventing infection from the Delta variant, these remain highly effective in preventing death amongst those infected. Also - and most noteworthy - these researchers state that their findings support the conclusion that, to quote vaccines remain the most important tool to prevent infection and death.

This is rather different from the point of view that you are presenting, and it seems rather strange that you are quoting this report to support your case? (This research team certainly did not draw the conclusion that COVID-19 vaccines are totally ineffective and not worth the while).

In summary, although vaccination remains protective against SARS-CoV-2 infection, protection waned as the Delta variant emerged in the U.S., and this decline did not differ by age. The Janssen vaccine showed the greatest decline in VE-I. Breakthrough infections were not benign as vaccinated persons and who were subsequently infected had a higher risk of death compared to vaccinated persons who remained infection-free. Importantly, vaccination still provided protection against death in infected persons, and this benefit was observed for the Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, and Janssen vaccines during the Delta surge, although the benefit was greater for Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech compared to Janssen vaccines. Our findings support the conclusion that COVID-19 vaccines remain the most important tool to prevent infection and death. Vaccines should be accompanied by additional measures for both vaccinated and unvaccinated persons, including masking, hand washing, and physical distancing. It is essential to implement public health interventions, such as strategic testing for control of outbreaks, vaccine passports, employment-based vaccine mandates, vaccination campaigns for eligible children as well as adults, and consistent messaging from public health leadership in the face of increased risk of infection due to the Delta and other emerging variants.

(Italics added)

80

Tennis Controversy in Australia

by smiddy3 in

apr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.

he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.

asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.

Rivergang

No vaccine is 100% effective, and even 5% of a very large number still results in a significant quantity. However, 95% of something is surely much to be preferred over 100% of nothing!

Also, most vaccines require a course of injections to complete, followed by booster shots (polio and tetanus come immediately to mind here). It would in fact be a rather unusual one which only requires a single dose - typhoid is the only vaccine that I know of which is administered like that. This, though, doesn’t mean a vaccine is ineffective.

80

Tennis Controversy in Australia

by smiddy3 in

apr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.

he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.

asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.

Rivergang

"Fully Vaccinated Australians In Hospital for COVID-19 Surpass Unvaccinated"

Firstly, this headline in The Epoch Times is incorrect when it claims that the number fully vaccinated Australians requiring hospital admission for COVID-19 exceeds those who are unvaccinated. The statistics that this article goes on to quote are not for the entire country, but for the state of New South Wales only.

Furthermore, a reader could be further misled if they failed to read this article in its entirety - particularly the following:

However, based on the data presented, unvaccinated individuals appear to be six times more likely to be hospitalised and nearly 13 times more likely to be sent to ICU than those who are fully vaccinated.

It is true that in NSW, 50.5% of those admitted into Intensive Care for COVID-19 are fully vaccinated. However, those vaccinated make up 93% of the eligible population.

This contrasts with the 7% of the eligible population who are not vaccinated - but whom still comprise 49.1% of the COVID-19 admissions into Intensive Care. In other words, a small minority of the population is making up almost half of those requiring Intensive Care treatment for COVID-19.

"Statistics do not lie". Careful with that one! Statistics are only meaningful if they are interpreted correctly (speaking here as somebody who has spent much of their working life involved in the field of Industrial Measurements).

61

Elders hounding members to quit their jobs due to missing too many meetings

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

how many times did you see elders hounding congregation members to quit their jobs due to missing meetings?.

my brother worked at a grocery store at 16 years old.

he would miss tuesday's ministry school due to his work schedule.

Rivergang

My parents encountered this while still a “bible study”. The rather bumptious elder who was conducting the “study” was insistent that my father give up his job “so that he could attend meetings”. Happily, my father being the fiery tempered Scotsman that he was, promptly told them where to go - and what to do when they got there!

(Sadly, I fell for the crap, and it took one hell of a long time for me to wake up. Story for another time, though!)

80

Tennis Controversy in Australia

by smiddy3 in

apr 20, 2020. novak djokovic sparks a backlash after publicly opposing the covid-19 vaccine.

he says: “personally, i am opposed to vaccination, and i wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel.”.

asked by sky news australia anchor danica de giorgio why djokovic was granted the visa in the first place, the home affairs minister said: “they’re entirely separate processes”.. “to gain entry to australia you need both – you actually need the visa, which is determined quite separately, and then you have to meet the entry requirements,” she said.. “i know that people are putting the two issues together, but the visa application process and the granting of a visa is very separate to the additional entry requirements that every traveller needs to meet to be able to enter australia.”.

Rivergang

Notsurewheretogo sums it up perfectly!

53

New World Translation is not much different other translations

by Abraham1 in

key scripture 2 timothy 3:16 should have been translated as “every scripture inspired of god is also profitable for teaching” like many other serious translations (such as american standard version ; douay-rheims bible etc) as it is what the greek text says.. this is in harmony with the contents of bible and also with the writer paul himself who knew after his departure ‘even from his own number men will arise and distort the truth.’ (acts 20:29-30) for example, verses such as romans 7:19 is such distortion.

such verses cannot originate from real paul who was “holy, righteous and blameless.” (1 thessalonians 2:10) hence paul had the freeness of speech to tell others to be “blameless” like him (1 thessalonians 5:19-23; ephesians 5:24) there are many things in the scriptures which are not inspired such as words of satan, words of job’s wife and his false friends, words of judas, lot’s daughters …etc.

apostle peter never disowned jesus because if he had done so, his contemporaries would have interrupted him when he rebuked jews, saying: “you disowned the holy and righteous one and asked that a murderer be released to you.“ (acts 3:14) his listeners would have asked him “what right do you have to reprove us for ‘disowning jesus” when you yourself have done it first?” all such verses or accounts were later adoptions.

Rivergang

What was that about “A civil question deserves at least a civil answer”?

22

Tony Morris hijacking GB

by asp59 in

has the gb been hijacked by tony morris?

hes the host many times on jw videos.

saying gb members wanting him too host.

Rivergang

asp59,

Being a “pioneer” certainly fast-tracked one to an appointed position. Marvellous what doors it opened, that certain column on the Monthly Report form which is entitled “Hours”!

84

Faith-Apostasy-Atheism

by DoubtingThomas in

i have been on m any different forums, and only carm is similar to this.. all the rest have rather hypocritical trust in god.. this and carm are for those who apostate to the wtbs and to god.. turned off by the gb, or hypocritical examples in the congregation, they drop worshiping god and their belief in the bible... for they know too much,.

that's why scripture isn't discussed, and jws like me, are demonized.. i am cool with that!

maybe some of you will come to their senses!.

Rivergang

I think the term "Religioned Out" best describes many who leave the JWs.

That is certainly how I felt after I finally managed to break free from that bloody lot!

29

We are now around 25 years past the point when Armageddon was to arrive as PROMISED!

by nowwhat? in

absolute worst case scenario, the last of the generation that saw the events of 1914 would have died off would be in the mid to late 1990's!

so we were told in the 1980's!

so now we 3/4 of another generation past that!.

Rivergang

To put things in perspective, CT Russell used Pyramidology to back up the whacky ideas that he had already concocted. Incredible as it may now seem to us, there was a time when Pyramidology was taken very seriously, rather then viewed as the pseudo-science that it really is.

16

1975 and so on.

by zachias in

yes i was there.. when we were all told.. 1975 is the time.

i was new to the jw thing but i knew then "that no man knoweth the day nor the hour....".. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5647286362177536/1975-on.

Rivergang

It wasn’t only the JWs who made an issue out of 1975. Herbert W Armstrong, of the Worldwide Church of God, also had much to say about that date, to the point of circulating a booklet entitled 1975 in Prophecy - a copy of which may be viewed through the following link www.hwalibrary.com/booklets/1975inProphecy

Of course, his predictions were no more accurate than anybody else’s!