The only thing he got from Ali was an old clock.
Very considerate of the boxer, Muhammad Ali. I would have thought an empty whiskey bottle more appropriate!
Rivergang
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TODAY is my 56th anniversary of GOING TO PRISON as a Jehovah's Witness Conscientious Objector
by Terry inwhat happened to jehovah’s witness young men and why did it happen?______in the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the military (during the vietnam war) or to comply with the alternate service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.. non-jehovah’s witnesses were faced with only one refusal: military service.jw boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the alternate civilian service as well.
the superior authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.the law was clear on this.
if we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.a no-brainer to them.
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TODAY is my 56th anniversary of GOING TO PRISON as a Jehovah's Witness Conscientious Objector
by Terry inwhat happened to jehovah’s witness young men and why did it happen?______in the 1960s men of draft age were called upon to either serve in the military (during the vietnam war) or to comply with the alternate service option: serving in a hospital or community in need.. non-jehovah’s witnesses were faced with only one refusal: military service.jw boys and young men were instructed (in private) to refuse the alternate civilian service as well.
the superior authorities had made this exemption for people of conscience.the law was clear on this.
if we worked in a hospital community we would be free to go about our witnessing ministry - if we double-refused: we would languish in prison.a no-brainer to them.
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Rivergang
Talk about being man-made and arbitrary!
While young JW men in the USA were being held to these rules, across the line in Mexico, they were permitted to bribe their way out of military service. They were told in writing that this was a conscience matter .i.e. if it didn’t bother either they or the relevant government official, they were free to offer a bribe to obtain the “cartilla”, which exempted them from being drafted.
Most Mexican officials were happy enough to issue the “cartilla”, if a brother made a suitable donation to that official’s favourite charity!
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'They knew and let it happen!' What's your propaganda meter showing?
by was a new boy inremember the spotlight movie?.
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/ae250e9e-8f1a-45bb-b757-47c0149cafb3.
as a kid mum told me usa was warned about the coming pearl harbor attack.. 9/11 and covid-19, history repeating.
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Rivergang
so the decision was made (by Churchill, so the story goes) not to warn the population at all.
That urban legend has long since been dispelled, from as early as 1976.
An informative read is RV Jones's Most Secret War: British Scientific Intelligence 1939 - 1945. (Reginald Victor Jones was Britain's Director of Scientific Intelligence during WWII).
In this publication, Jones devotes an entire chapter about the English industrial city of Coventry - which alone of all inland cities of the UK, was levelled during a nighttime bombing raid by German aircraft. The raid on Coventry succeeded simply because, for once, British radio countermeasures failed. In every other case, these measures were successful in neutralising the radio navigation system used by the Luftwaffe's bomber fleet. However, on the night of that raid on Coventry, somebody made a very simple error.
As Jones goes on to conclude on page 150 of Most Secret War:
"It is one of those instances, of which I have since found many, where enormous trouble is taken to get difficult parts right and then a slip up occurs because of lack of attention to a seemingly trivial detail."
Never underestimate the role that a simple, old time £µ€₭ -Up can play in a military disaster!
Straight out arrogance, too, has often played a significant part during failures of intelligence. Pearl Harbor is one example of that. As early as 29th November 1941, the US Secretary of the Navy circulated a general warning that hostilities were imminent. However, Pearl Harbor was not listed as a probable target. Thailand, Borneo and the Kra Isthmus were (correctly) identified as such - but prevailing opinion maintained that Japan was simply incapable of launching an attack on Pearl Harbor. Even after the attack, there were military and naval personnel who were "certain" that those aircraft had been piloted by Europeans.
Three days later, Britain's naval supremacy in the Far East was ended forever by the destruction of "Force Z". This was an event not believed possible - the sinking by aircraft of a battleship flotilla which was under way in the open sea. After these two disasters, both the USA and Great Britain had to come to terms with the fact that they had been bested by a supposedly "inferior" enemy. It is therefore hardly surprising that some wild ideas got circulated, trying to avoid facing up to the fact that they had underestimated their enemy.
Similarly, Israel, too, got taken by surprise in the 1973 Middle East War, simply because it badly underestimated its enemies. Despite all the intelligence reports that came in, which almost screamed out that the Arabs were about to attack, Israel's leadership - both civil and military - refused to believe that the Arab countries were at all capable of doing so. (A series of easy victories during the two previous Middle East wars had lulled them into a dangerously false sense of security).
As was observed afterwards, despite so much information at their disposal, Israel "made the worst possible estimate" of it.
In other words, it is not just a matter of having intelligence data available. Much can then go wrong during the analysis of this information, and wrong conclusions can be drawn when it is coloured by an imagined superiority of the enemy. Also, during the whole process, somebody can slip up during the execution of even a simple detail.
There are plenty of other alternatives to conspiracy when it comes to explaining military disasters. The good old fashioned £µ€₭ -Up has certainly played its role in more than a few!
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This Generation/ 1975
by TxNVSue2023 ini was born in 1977 & came in as a convert in 2003 --- so i have no idea what went on before my time.. however i have been familiar with the scriptures of "nobody knows the day or hour" & " it will come as a theif in the night" meaning that it was sure but unpredictable time.
how could anyone belive that anyone else ( organization or not) put a date on it?.
also what was the significance of 1975 anyway?
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This was not just in their literature, either.
Other, more subtle means were also used to promote the idea. One example of this was the signage on the stage at District Conventions. Today, this would be quite forgotten, where it not for photographs and movie films taken by members of the audience. (One such example was recently posted on this discussion board).
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No more REPORTING field service!!!!!!!!!
by BoogerMan inthis is going to break the hearts of a lot of uber-jw's!
reddit has now removed the video link of samuel herd telling jw's they will no longer have to report time or placements - just tick a box which says "active.".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akdshyx79rm&t=13s.
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Bloody hell!
COs such as “Cyclone Rex” Manwaring will now have nothing with which to harangue the publishers about. (The subject of “hours” was all you ever heard from the likes of him).
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Do we blame the Governing Body too much?
by no-zombie ini'd like to start this post with a part from the movie 'v for vendetta'.
here in a dystopian state, the main character named v, explains why things have gone so bad ....
those who do not want us to speak.
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No Zombie,
North Korea was never “free”. Before the Communist regime was installed after WWII, all of Korea was under Japanese rule. The Empire of Japan was many things, but one thing it wasn’t was “free”.
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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Hans Hubler, otherwise known as "The Terminator", after the mother of that crying child promptly terminated her "Free Home Bible Study".
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My Most Memorable Circuit & District Overseers
by MillennialDawn ini would love to hear from anyone who may have encountered the following the traveling overseers:.
david wesley - an incredibly kind and humble man.
just the most down-to-earth co you'll ever find.
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In my experience, non to compare with “Cyclone Rex” Manwaring. Loathe the bastard or like him (?), he was certainly unforgettable!
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JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time
by ExBethelitenowPIMA inmy grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.
he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.
he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.
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Put a guy at the head of an organization that is convinced that he is being guided by god through the holy spirit, and he can't help but get an oversized ego from it.
A little off topic, perhaps, but back in the day, similar also used to apply to a country's "Branch Servant".
He, too, was always spoken about as if he were Der Fuhrer, Il Duce, El Caudillo, The Big Ratu, Papa Doc or similar.
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1974 and all that
by Number 6 inhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xznh9icm1os.
i came across this footage recently whilst searching for something completely unrelated and it blew me away!.
it's from the august 1974 convention at murrayfield, edinburgh and you can clearly see the stage set up still keeping the 6000 years and 1975 mantra going.. what makes this very personal for me is that i was here.
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This is further evidence that it was not only in their literature that the JWs emphasised the 1975 theme.
There were also other, more subtle means used to present the same theme - such as the signage which was displayed on the stage at a district assembly.