just spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.
clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.
their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".
I'm sorry for any Witnesses who listened to their garbage and never got an education or a well-paying job and are struggling today to support themselves.
I'm not! And I refuse to buy into the WT promoted idea of "generosity" given to those who make poor choices. This is a quote from this mornings WT basically begging for money for others in the congregation. "...suppose a fellow Christian falls into need because of poor planning."
If they will not prepare for the future I say, "F--K 'EM!"
just spent 8 hours in a 1 day elders school last weekend.
clarification given: "moving forward any elder, ms, or pioneer who themselves or someone under their roof enrolls in higher education, may no longer qualify for privileges in the congregation.
their qualifications will have to be reviewed by their boe.".
The idiots were threatened by anybody well-spoken who had a good job.
My dad always said, and I now say, "The stupid are intimidated by anyone who is intelligent." He also said, "It's hard to be smart in a world full of stupid people."
the first study article is about getting bible studies and children baptized.
there is much more emphasis placed on parents to get their own children baptized rather than focusing on bible students.
they try to impress on others the need for urgency.
so that I could spend time with my daughter and my granddaughter.
And of course the grand-daughter must be shunned too. I wonder what the poor little girl did to warrant her shunning?
so i suffered through another one of these idiotic "encouraging" talks by tony vives.. he prattled on about loyalty, and pretty well concentrated on three areas.
loyalty to ones marriage mate, which is no problem.
if one is married they really do owe loyalty to their husband or wife.. second, he hammered on "loyalty" by having nothing to do with a df'd family member, even a child!
So I suffered through another one of these idiotic "encouraging" talks by Tony Vives.
He prattled on about LOYALTY, and pretty well concentrated on three areas. Loyalty to ones marriage mate, which is no problem. If one is married they really do owe loyalty to their husband or wife.
Second, he hammered on "loyalty" by having nothing to do with a DF'd family member, even a child! Truly cringe worth listening how he remarked that only by completely shunning a DF'd person could we be "loyal" to Gawd.
Third, he yapped about how loyalty meant that men should be "reaching out", and pretty well implied that if a man did not reach out or was not serving as an appointed man in the congregation it was showing they were not loyal to Gawd. He flapped his gums about how there are too many "grey-haired" menstrual serpents, and not nearly enough elders.
Just thought I wold share that as "A joy shared is doubled, and a trouble shred is halved." Thanks for halving the trouble folks!
so this is just a general question.
call it curiosity.. what sort of phobias do we have?
heights?
Must be something wrong with ol' FedUp...no phobias that I can think of.
ok, so what are the most deceptive comments that you have heard from your experience in congregations?.
my top three are;.
1) service overseer during the ’ how did we do?’ annual talk, twisted the figures to such an extent that it looked like the congregations ministry was in tip-top shape.
"You can know we have the truth by the unselfish love we show one another."
Biggest lie yet!
just wondering.
when i was a witness, we had presiding overseer, and would say p-o for short.
do they spell it out when they say cobe or do they say it with as a word?
I prefer to pronounce COBE as S.O.B!
if my memory serves me right in the 80's there was an effort to call on those who were disfellowshipped.
elders would seek them out (or we're supposed to) to see if there was anything they could do to help them come back.
it seemed like a good idea at the time to me.
No, this program has been shelved.
this is my story in a nut-shell.
i hope some of you can relate.
if you can..i would love to hear from you.. i have been crushed and heartbroken more times than i can recount by a religion that claims to be based totally on love and mercy and most of that harm has come from the so called "shepherds" who or are supposed to lovingly take the stray lambs in their arms and lead them gently back to safety.
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What Ding said too, although I have experienced some of that warped "love" from elders and R&F members
http://www.scc-csc.ca/case-dossier/info/webcastview-webdiffusionvue-eng.aspx?cas=37273&id=2017%2f2017-11-02--37273&date=2017-11-02.
What, in my opinion, was a very telling comment was the response at about 3:06 when asked specifically, "If the rules were not followed (I imagine by elders handling the JC according to the secret elders manual), too bad! Is that the idea?"
The lawyer was forced to respond, "Yes."
That has been my own experience with elders. They have a set of rules, and just like typical law enforcement, they pick and choose which rules they follow, and if they, the elders, do not follow the rules and someone is emotionally, physically, or spiritually damaged TOO BAD!!
